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By Greg Sargent Opinion writer
November 11, 2019 at 10:03 a.m. EST
The public phase of the impeachment inquiry is set to begin this week, and it will shock you to learn that House Republicans are pushing for it to include testimony from numerous people who are not in a position to shed any light whatsoever on President Trumps conduct.
Republicans want to question Joe Bidens son Hunter and other figures at the center of a nexus of conspiracy theories and lies that Trump and his propagandists have long employed to misdirect Americans away from Trumps own bottomless corruption.
A remarkable and important series of exchanges on Meet the Press including an epic rant from a Democrat about our medias both-sidesing tendencies demonstrates the true nature of the game plan were about to see from Trump and Republicans.
It all started when Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) offered a spectacularly disingenuous new defense of Trumps corruption. First, Paul claimed Trump was right to withhold military aid from Ukraine, because Trump truly believed that Biden was, in fact, corrupt.
Then Paul insisted that in pressuring Ukraine to undertake investigations of Biden, Trump was doing the same thing Biden did when he withheld aid to oust a Ukrainian prosecutor. Trumps propagandists have twisted that act into a tale of Biden-and-son corruption that is entirely fabricated. Trump extorted Ukraine to force it to somehow make that fabrication true.
Finally, Paul did concede Trump pressured a foreign country to investigate a political rival, but added that Hillary Clinton hired a British spy to hire Russians to get dirt called the Steele Dossier, and equated that with Trumps conduct.
NBC Newss Chuck Todd seemed to allow Pauls basic framing to stand unchallenged, saying at one point: So two wrongs make a right? That prompted this remarkable pushback from Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.), which you should watch in full:
Link to tweet
Jesse Lee ✔ @JesseCharlesLee
.@RandPaul tries to both sides Trump and Biden, Chuck Todd nods along, and @jahimes just burns it all down.
11:05 AM - Nov 10, 2019
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MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)in terms of how progressive he is, Himes was the first person in the Connecticut delegation to support the impeachment inquiry - well before the other four joined him.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)calimary
(81,480 posts)Nobodys perfect. But at the moment I cant think of an area in which I disagree with him.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)That is his destiny. imo
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Let's the talking points go unchallenged a bit too much, we noticed!
I don't watch MSNBC unless there is big news, but then it's just to get another take, like it should be, no one should be using 1 source for news, that's how you become a partisan, anger management challenged dolt?
Chuck is trying too hard to MAKE news?
spanone
(135,877 posts)unblock
(52,325 posts)thanks
montanacowboy
(6,103 posts)elevated to his job for what? because of his brilliant knowledge of foreign affairs, or his ability to interview guests to get to the truth? He is and always has been a low brow piece of shit, always coddling the repukian view point.
MSNBC, get rid of this louse. He stinks your house up, and while you are at it, throw Andrea Ms. Greenspan into the trash.
Jim Himes is worth 10,000 Chuck Toads
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Cosmocat
(14,573 posts)his sense of self importance ...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)Yes, I wish Todd would disappear from TV, he is another tool, has no balls.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)With Chuck Todd the guy does not even have College eduction, has zero personality is proof there are rocks upstairs at NBC. How many good ones have they lost?
Joe and MIka, same rhetoric every morning, Joe tirades, MIka nice, same panelists.
Snoopy 7
(528 posts)MSNBC has been moving right for sometime now, go back to when it first aired and see the Progressive/Left leaning commentators they employed. They slowly weeded them out and started bringing in the right leaning commentators, experts, and flat out opinion staff. Long gone are the Schultz (RIP), Jenk's, Al Sharpton, Joy Reed (took her off prime time). Now who do they have Micka & Joe (who helped get Trump elected and were with trump on his inauguration day), Andria Mitchell, Matthews (republican), and about 75% of the commentators/experts are republicans. I always point out the republicans to my wife, she doesn't know who they are, just so she can see/hear their opinion and know what they have the opinion they have. Ever since the right realized how bad Saint Reagan screwed them they have been coming to the Democratic Party, I tell them to stay and FIX THEIR PARTY. Well we can see they didn't take the advice and now we have three party's- Progressive (used to be the Democratic Party), Democratic party (Republican Lite) & the Republican party (far right ideological extremist)...
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Chuck is worthless. Shep would be a great addition to MSNBC.
2naSalit
(86,780 posts)Maybe we can convince them that they should.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)As soon as Shep can!
I am a fan of Ali Velshi, Nicolle Wallace and Larry O Donnell.
I do not like constant hysteria.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)gulliver
(13,195 posts)Trump's trying to add a second, possibly non-incriminating transcript, now to dilute the smoking gun transcript. It's all extremely cunning. Trump will continue saying, "read the transcript," and Fox News will emphasize the one that plays the best for them.
2naSalit
(86,780 posts)crickets
(25,983 posts)Media is not policing itself and needs the scolding. Jim Himes set the example; if only more would follow it.
calimary
(81,480 posts)In far too many cases by now, weve gone so far overboard in the equal time/both sides pursuit that it starts to look unreasonable. Questionable. Unjustifiable.
I like the analogy in which the Flat Earth Society gets a seat at the table in a NASA conference. NO. There is no legitimate and even halfway reasonable to include dipshit groups like the Flat Earth Society in NASA-anything. They just do not belong. Theyre so deeply and intrinsically opposite that theyre not even in the same - um - universe!
sop
(10,251 posts)Hitler's mouthpieces would have been allowed on the radio to present "their side of the story."
Part of it was that one of the Nazi's first acts in power was the seizure and complete subjugation of the German media, aided and abetted by the "titans of industry" (sound familiar?) There was no "both sides." There was only Hitler's propaganda. Any media outlet that dared to not state the talking points unchallenged quickly had its editors shot on the street or shipped off to the death camps.
And the Republicans of the time were watching and taking careful notes.
Fla Dem
(23,746 posts)to the Republican liars and propaganda.
LudwigPastorius
(9,174 posts)correction delivered by Representative Himes.
He was completely factual and never lost his cool.
I wish that Greg Sargent, or the WaPo headline writers, had injected less click-bait-ey spin in this case.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,856 posts)of what was going on. I hate it when clickbait adjectives are used to describe something inaccurately like this. (Raw Story is probably the worst offender.)
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Complete with the veteran reporter's rude tactic of mumbling and trying to interject and stop him or slow him down as he's talking. You can almost sense Chuck's nervous energy as a guest lays bare all that careful work he did to make sure as to equally charge Democrats with similar level crimes to get his false equivalency badge. So as not to offend any poor Republican snowflakes watching.
volstork
(5,403 posts)works for the same network that formerly employed Chet Huntley and David Brinkley shows just how far NBC has fallen. Chuckles couldn't have gotten a cub reporter slot back in the day.
LuvNewcastle
(16,856 posts)but I liked David Brinkley. Chuck Todd wouldnt have been fit to bring Brinkley his coffee. Makes me think of the days when Brinkley was on with Sam Donaldson and George Will. People thought Donaldson was mean to Reagan, but he was actually kind to him. There were a lot of things that all of them knew about Reagans condition and they didnt report it.
gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)Its a disgrace to the media industry having him in the time slots/news shows he occupies.
Mickju
(1,805 posts)They should have fired his ass a long time ago.
Mickju
(1,805 posts)struggle4progress
(118,345 posts)Gothmog
(145,562 posts)Gothmog
(145,562 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)tweet, Goth!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Perhaps because the "liberal media" drum got beat for decades with insufficient pushback or perhaps because of media consolidation in the hands of just a few giant corporations, or perhaps because of a combination of both, far too many mainstream media personalities (I hesitate to use the word 'journalists') are utterly irresponsible. And this poses a massive hurdle for truth and justice. Many factors contributed to Trump becoming president, and the media is one of them. Clinton's email "scandal" was somehow worthy of about the same amount of attention as Trump's openly colluding with a foreign adversary, racism, openly bragging about sexual assault, Trump University scam, mocking a person with a disability, and so on. Meanwhile, we hear very little about how various Trumps have used private email for government business, or about how Trump has given his personal cell phone number to foreign leaders (including, one presumes, Vladimir Putin).
Media personalities, when not devoting time to fluff pieces, have a tendency to foster false equivalencies and seem to think giving equal time to lies and obfuscation somehow constitutes fair reporting. It's as if all statements made on the air are equally valid opinions. It's as if media personalities are scared to demonstrate a bias toward fact-based reality. I was heartened to listen to Jim Himes take Todd to task for going along with Rand Paul's false equivalency, though Himes was far too gentle.
We need a lot more of this. Republicans, for decades, used the media to criticize the media. And it proved highly effective. Every Democrat making a public appearance should take any opportunity to change the narrative about the media itself, and not just the narrative about the issue of the day.
And we need to make media/propaganda literacy (verifying sources, identifying tactics such as the Gish gallop, etc.) mandatory curriculum in every school.