Boeing details steps needed to get grounded Max jet flying

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Boeing hopes to resume deliveries of its 737 Max jet to airlines in December and win regulatory approval to restart commercial service with the plane in January.

The company spelled out several steps that it needs to complete before the grounded plane can carry passengers again.

Pilot training has emerged as a key issue around the plane’s return. The timetable that the company laid out Monday would allow it to generate cash by delivering planes even before the Federal Aviation Administration approves new training material for pilots.

Boeing said it has demonstrated changes to the plane during sessions with the FAA in a flight simulator. It still must show regulators those changes during one or more certification flights.

https://www.heraldnet.com/business/boeing-details-steps-needed-to-get-grounded-max-jet-flying/?utm_source=DAILY+HERALD&utm_campaign=02d5716f41-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d81d073bb4-02d5716f41-228635337

[abqtommy]

1. I still want to see indictments, arrests, trials, convictions and incarcerations of Boeing

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executives and other responsible parties for what I see as a clear case of murder.

[maxsolomon]

2. you won't ever see that.

tell me how you establish that responsibility, and who you'd target, and who's going to prosecute. murder requires INTENT.

knowing many boeing employees, including flight engineers, I can tell you: they weren't trying to murder anyone.

at best you'll see civil suits brought on behalf of the Indonesian and Ethiopian victims. Boeing can and will settle with them.

this is a good article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-crashes.html

[BannonsLiver]

3. Criminal negligence isn't the same as first or second degree murder, or even manslaughter

I do agree it would be hard to prove even though the safety culture at Boeing and the increasingly lax attitude toward it by the upper echelons of mgmt have been reported on by reputable news organizations a number of times since they’re poorly engineered shit boxes started taking nose dives on their own.

[maxsolomon]

5. right. criminal negligence is possible.

but i'm enough of a cynic to think that the DOJ isn't going to take that on. some state AG? maybe.

will Ethiopia or Indonesia try to extradite whoever gets the finger of blame pointed at them? maybe. I doubt State would serve up a Boeing Exec for that trial, however.

[EX500rider]

4. And the Ethiopian crash was pilot error related..

The Ethiopian air crew did not handle the issue correctly, they did get the MCAS turned off but had the airspeed to high to manually adjust the trim wheel.

It appears the aircraft was simply going too fast, and the aerodynamic forces building up on the stabilisers were too strong for the pilots to overcome with muscle power. They turned the electronics back on and ultimately lost control altogether.

This is where Graves’ main criticisms come in. He points out that throughout the flight, the pilots failed to reduce power from the levels used immediately after take-off, allowing the plane to continue accelerating to the point where it was moving too quickly to be trimmed manually.

“Once they set those throttles to full power, they never retarded them,” he told the committee. “They accelerated right through the certified maximum speed… and just kept on accelerating.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/sd9LGK2S9m/battle_over_blame