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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:02 AM Nov 2019

Two people just got the plague in China -- yes, the Black Death plague

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13/health/china-plague-intl-hnk-scn-scli/index.html

(CNN)Two people in China are being treated for plague, authorities said Tuesday. It's the second time the disease, the same one that caused the Black Death, one of the deadliest pandemics in human history, has been detected in the region -- in May, a Mongolian couple died from bubonic plague after eating the raw kidney of a marmot, a local folk health remedy.

The two recent patients, from the Chinese province of Inner Mongolia, were diagnosed with pneumonic plague by doctors in the Chinese capital Beijing, according to state media Xinhua. They are now receiving treatment in Beijing's Chaoyang District, and authorities have implemented preventative control measures.

Plague, caused by bacteria and transmitted through flea bites and infected animals, can develop in three different forms. Bubonic plague causes swollen lymph nodes, while septicemic plague infects the blood and pneumonic plague infects the lungs.

Pneumonic -- the kind the Chinese patients have -- is more virulent and damaging. Left untreated, it is always fatal, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

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still_one

(92,187 posts)
1. That is a problem. There are people in certain regions that consume certain rodents that carry the
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:33 AM
Nov 2019

bacteria

LeftInTX

(25,305 posts)
2. We still have the plague in the US
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:47 AM
Nov 2019

Average of 7 cases per year




https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html

The cases in the US are isolated and there hasn't been an epidemic since 1924. I hope the cases in China are isolated an not the beginning of an epidemic. Since it is pneumonic, I guess it could spread from person to person.

Plague is treatable with antibiotics. In the US the biggest risk is lack of early diagnosis. Most people don't know they have it. Although it is treatable, many times there has been permanent damage (gangrene) before it is diagnosed. In most cases, in the US a family pet (usually a dog) comes in contact with a dead animal (rodent) unbeknownst to humans. The pet brings the fleas home and the human has no idea that they have had contact with a dead animal.

LeftInTX

(25,305 posts)
7. ???? Stats are through 2017
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:59 AM
Nov 2019

We had 4 plague deaths in 2015...0 in 2017....

No stats for 2018 or 2019.....

Plague in the US does not seem to be related to the president at the present time. Maybe it will down the road, but it is such an isolated occurrence that I don't see a correlation...yet

zonemaster

(232 posts)
4. I wouldn't worry too much...
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:51 AM
Nov 2019

Prairie dogs in the west are significant carriers of plague, and people out here are not dropping like flies from catching it. Been that way for decades. TIP - don't feed prairie dogs or get too close to their villages.

3Hotdogs

(12,374 posts)
6. two years ago --- Badlands National Park.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:58 AM
Nov 2019

Sign on Prarie Dog village, the dogs have plague. Do not walk in the area. Stay on the roadway.


Followed by ---- wait for it---- couple of peeps in the village, needing cellphone close-ups.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
9. Here in New Mexico there is a history of multiple cases of Hantavirus and Plague that occur
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:48 AM
Nov 2019

yearly. There are effective treatments and there are deaths due to this. Link below to search results for anyone interested. It's not just a Chinese problem.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=number+of+hantavirus+and+plague+cases+in+New+Mexico+by+year&t=ffnt&ia=web

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
10. Yep, there are an average of 7 cases of plague per year in the USA, mostly in the Southwest
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 09:52 AM
Nov 2019

none east of the Mississippi, as far as I know; here's a map:



The one case in Chicago looks like an anomaly, and the biggest concentration is in New Mexico.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
11. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe black plague is bubonic, not pneumonic plague.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:07 AM
Nov 2019
Plague (disease)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_(disease)

(snip)
Plague is an infectious disease caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Symptoms include fever, weakness and headache. Usually this begins one to seven days after exposure. In the bubonic form there is also swelling of lymph nodes, while in the septicemic form tissues may turn black and die, and in the pneumonic form shortness of breath, cough and chest pain may occur.

Bubonic and septicemic plague is generally spread by flea bites or handling an infected animal. The pneumonitic form is generally spread between people through the air via infectious droplets. Diagnosis is typically by finding the bacterium in fluid from a lymph node, blood or sputum.

Those at high risk may be vaccinated. Those exposed to a case of pneumonic plague may be treated with preventive medication. If infected, treatment is with antibiotics and supportive care. Typically antibiotics include a combination of gentamicin and a fluoroquinolone. The risk of death with treatment is about 10% while without it is about 70%. Globally about 600 cases are reported a year.

KY........

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
12. My cat died of Plague in 2015
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 10:22 AM
Nov 2019

It spread like wildfire down our valley. It started with 2 bears in the Valles Caldera and ended with many dead pets.

It is endemic in the 4 corners region in the summer.

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