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ECL213

(212 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:09 PM Nov 2019

Supreme JNOV

I don’t think it’s referred to as a Judgment Notwithstanding a Verdict now, but what if the overwhelming evidence is tRump is guilty but the Senate acquits. Could the judge (Chief Justice) overrule the verdict?

I know this is pie in the sky speculation, but this would practically insure that John Roberts goes down in history as the MOST important CJ ever!!

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Supreme JNOV (Original Post) ECL213 Nov 2019 OP
NO Constitutional basis for it. lastlib Nov 2019 #1
No. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #2
Even in a criminal case, which this is not, rsdsharp Nov 2019 #3
And even if he COULD, you can't think a Russiapublican ever WOULD. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #6
Meh.. ECL213 Nov 2019 #4
As explained in the Federalist Papers SCantiGOP Nov 2019 #5

lastlib

(23,220 posts)
1. NO Constitutional basis for it.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:18 PM
Nov 2019

All the power is vested in the Senate. The CJ is mostly just a pretty fixture.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
2. No.
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:20 PM
Nov 2019

The role of the Chief Justice in an impeachment trial is only to ensure that the Senate follows its own rules - he doesn't act as a regular trial judge. There is no provision for JNOV or judgment of acquittal in the Senate's impeachment rules.

rsdsharp

(9,168 posts)
3. Even in a criminal case, which this is not,
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:30 PM
Nov 2019

a judge can't overturn an acquittal; only a verdict of guilty.

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
5. As explained in the Federalist Papers
Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:58 PM
Nov 2019

The reason the CJ sits as the overseer of the process is the inherent conflict if the VP were presiding, since the VP would be in line to become POTUS if the Prez were convicted.
There are some important duties for the CJ, since he would rule on procedural disputes, but the Senate is solely responsible for the decision.
And if there happened to be a tie, the VP would not be able to vote to break it. Since the question is “Shall the POTUS be convicted,” a tie vote would mean the question did not carry.

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