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UPDATEBy Rachel Weiner, Spencer S. Hsu and Matt Zapotosky
November 15, 2019 at 11:52 a.m. EST
A federal jury has convicted longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone of lying to Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The panel of nine women and three men deliberated for less than two days before finding Stone, 67, guilty on all seven counts resulting from his September 2017 testimony to a House intelligence committee investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election and the Kremlins efforts to damage Trumps Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Stone, in a blue suit, stood at the defense table with his left hand in his pants pocket, watching impassively as verdicts were read.
Stone had argued that he was not intentionally dishonest and that the cases was politically motivated. But jurors sided with prosecutors who said Stone obstructed the House efforts because the truth would be embarrassing to Donald Trumps campaign. Stones indictment was the last brought by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, putting on trial his slippery brand of political brawling and revealing important new details about the Trump campaigns keen interest in computer files hacked by Russia and made public by WikiLeaks.
He was accused of lying to Congress and tampering with a witness, an associate prosecutors said Stone threatened in a bid to prevent the man from cooperating with lawmakers.Though prosecutors sought to prove only that Stone had lied to Congress, they asserted that his motive for the falsehoods was protecting Trump from embarrassment and thus made the president and his campaign a key component in their case.
Stones trial reenergized discussions of Russian interference in the 2016 election and occurred alongside public hearings in Democrats impeachment inquiry into whether the president tried to pressure his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate a potential 2020 opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden. In arguments and testimony over the past two weeks, prosecutors revealed a series of phone calls at critical times in 2016 between Stone, Trump and some of the highest-ranking officials on the Trump campaign Stephen K. Bannon, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/roger-stone-jury-weighs-evidence-and-a-defense-move-to-make-case-about-mueller/2019/11/15/554fff5a-06ff-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html
ETA - Sentencing scheduled for February 6, 2020 per NYT.
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BREAKING: Roger Stone convicted in federal case over statements to Congress related to WikiLeaks. Stone, a longtime Trump friend and adviser, was on trial in Washington on charges of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction over his remarks about WikiLeaks email releases in the 2016 presidential campaign.
This is a developing story that will be updated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/roger-stone-jury-weighs-evidence-and-a-defense-move-to-make-case-about-mueller/2019/11/15/554fff5a-06ff-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,691 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Yes!
Hope this convinces others to stop supporting and lying for MF45.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'll bet he's got the shits today too. All the prison time he's looking at is probably making his stomach turn and bowels inflamed.
George II
(67,782 posts)PNW-Dem
(244 posts)By the way, I love the way the jackass carried a red bible. Pander much?
wnylib
(21,450 posts)rampartc
(5,407 posts)I was concerned this scumbag would have a mistrial.
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)with the jury, apparently. But I guess it was more of a procedural question than a real "hung jury" situation.
Some of us were a little worried.
Sounds like justice is being done, though.
calimary
(81,262 posts)Hmmm... jury's taking too long. That often means it'll wind up a hung jury or go in favor of the defendant.
Not this time, THANKFULLY!
sheshe2
(83,758 posts)GUILTY!
Botany
(70,504 posts)Oh Boy!
Botany
(70,504 posts)Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)But he may have to wait until after the election.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)sent a message to tRump through a "friend' "Pardon Me?" He is a loathsome scumbag, always has been. I got begging emails from both him and his wife, I would not give either of them the time of day, let alone a donation. They belong to Swinger's Clubs, let them ask their fellow perverts for cash donations.
spanone
(135,831 posts)2naSalit
(86,607 posts)I want to see what's on the picket sign that guy following Stone around outside the venue!
CNN just caught up~
Blue Owl
(50,362 posts)n/t
calimary
(81,262 posts)You ran the table, Roger dear.
Couldnt happen to a nicer shmuck.
Hes had it coming for a LOOOONNNNNNNGGG time.
budkin
(6,703 posts)Haven't seen it officially yet but.... holy shit.
dameatball
(7,397 posts)blueseas
(11,575 posts)Agreed!
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)gademocrat7
(10,657 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,111 posts)The web is so huge, the consequences of their actions so violent, that we barely know what is what yet.
Rump laundered money for the richest most violent and deadly men on earth for 30 years even though Donald Rump does not know what laundering money means.
He is owned by them, completely as he owes them about 3 billion dollars. Stone knows stuff that would make the putin oligarch murderers lose money maybe and remember KUSHNER and the Rumps were INVOLVED in the DISMEMBERMENT of Khashoggi.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Then I expect Stone will get the Epstein treatment.
Not sure that Stone will get a pardon right away, but he will get one after the 2020 election if he keeps his mouth shut.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)There's really no down-side for Trump if he pardons Stone. He knows the Republicans in Congress won't do anything about it. They're not even going to do anything about his current crimes.
llmart
(15,539 posts)Trump's next tweet, "I don't know who he is. I have never talked to the guy."
Wounded Bear
(58,653 posts)johnp3907
(3,731 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... that I should pardon him because apparently hes not really a witch, but were looking into that and I have the best people on it as we speak.
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)bdamomma
(63,849 posts)tRump may have the big one soon.
Friday is not a dump day for news not anymore huh.
subana
(586 posts)hopefully fat Donnie will join him before long!
nolabear
(41,963 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,691 posts)budkin
(6,703 posts)Hope he rots.
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nolabear
(41,963 posts)Spankys comments this afternoon are going to be golden.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Let justice roll like a mighty stream that washes his ilk away.
Love your prose.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts).
47of74
(18,470 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)He thinks this means they are showing loyalty.
Has he actually pardoned anyone yet that was involved in one of his own cases??
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)If he didn't pardon Manafort, there's no reason to think he'll pardon Stone.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)Remember Nixon didnt pardon any of his Watergate co-conspirators either.
I think the only ones he would pardon are Jr and Jarvanka.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)Is that even though there's what?, six people either in jail or almost there but dumpf is not in prison or being tried for a felony yet
I think if he was under trial or heading to the big house the pardons would be flying, he is being impeached but that's just for removal right now and this way he can call it all fake news and say it doesn't matter
the moment he gets removed the whole thing changes and he's directly in front of a host of felonys, that's when I think you'll see the pardons.
It's all about perception
Eliot Rosewater
(31,111 posts)Celerity
(43,356 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)If Stone doesn't roll over on Trump, he'll get his pardon before Trump leaves office. Being as heartless as Trump, I'm sure Stone is negotiating to see who (Trump or the prosecution) will give him the better deal.
edbermac
(15,939 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)I hoped to see this happen but am still surprised (in a very good way) to see this!
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!
onetexan
(13,041 posts)mucifer
(23,542 posts)onetexan
(13,041 posts)Karma's a bitch isnt it?
ffr
(22,670 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,343 posts)ancianita
(36,055 posts)AdamGG
(1,291 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)(Insert major sarcasm emoji here)
This is how we should be framing this. WHO was Stone protecting by lying to Congress and witness tampering. Do you do that for someone who's completely and totally innocent? Do you engage in a cover-up for an innocent person?
I would LOVE to hear how the Trump ballwashers spin this as NOT an implicit conviction of Trump.
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bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)I know, sentancing guidelines are complicated.
But what is the back of the envelope estimate?
marlakay
(11,465 posts)Says he wont get anywhere near full 50 years. More like 5-10 but at his age any is bad for him. I wonder if Trump will pardon him for not talking.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)But he'll definitely get way less than that.
OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)Although the most serious charge against Mr. Stone carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, his sentence will almost certainly be much lighter. Working against him could be his multiple run-ins earlier this year with Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is overseeing the case and will preside over sentencing, set for Feb. 6. After a series of infractions, including posting a photo of the judge with an image of cross-hairs next to her head on Instagram in February, she banned him from social media.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/roger-stone-trial-guilty.html
C Moon
(12,213 posts)get away with so much, I'm not holding my breath on him getting a rough sentence.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)Considering the shit she has dealt with in, and leading up to, this trial, I doubt she will go easy on him. I'd put money on at least 15 years to 30.
Which leads me to say: --- --- --- !
blueseas
(11,575 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)ResistantAmerican17
(3,807 posts)lastlib
(23,226 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)And all the guards still have narcolepsy
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wnylib
(21,450 posts)There are 2 and a half months to go before sentencing. Plenty of time for an "accident" or exposure to a fatal illness.
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OliverQ
(3,363 posts)He should have been put in jail immediately.
triron
(22,003 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)Same thing with the sentencing.
The statutes say he could get up to 50 years but it seems white collar crooks are entitled to a much
lighter sentence - maybe just a few years was implied.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I've seen links to commentary earlier this year that he's likely to spend the rest of his life in jail.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Cohen even had a shoulder operation while he was waiting to be locked up for 3 years.
I'm betting that Stone has to wear a tracking boot or something else.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)while he is out free. Less obvious than the Epstein treatment.
AkFemDem
(1,823 posts)MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)Good grief. Jesus apparently wasn't on your jury Roger!!
47of74
(18,470 posts)Roger would be relocating to a warmer climate.
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Marthe48
(16,955 posts)This guy needs to be slowed down or stopped. Such a destructive person for so long.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)The number of Trump associates who have gone to prison sure says a lot.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,118 posts)Stone: "Yes. Pardon me."
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)KPN
(15,645 posts)UTUSN
(70,691 posts)Initech
(100,072 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)ramen
(790 posts)Initech
(100,072 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)or how many years in prison he will be sentenced for? I wonder if Epstein suicide was a message to folks like stone, manafort, cohen, etc.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)If a normal everyday working joe were found guilty, they would have been handcuffed and put in jail to await their sentencing. Just not fair.
Anyhoo, so glad the cretin was found guilty of all charges.
Me.
(35,454 posts)can you imagine if he was black?
DinahMoeHum
(21,787 posts)LonePirate
(13,420 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)orleans
(34,051 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Republicans have been lying to the American public for so long, they've lost all consciousness of when they do it....
Creating your own reality is not a good idea during sworn testimony!.......
Jim__
(14,076 posts)Now, what does Trump do?
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)The administration of convictions.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)EXCLUSIVE: Roger Stone's spiritual adviser says embattled political operative has 'turned to God'
As a former colleague from President Trumps 2016 campaign delivered damning testimony in the perjury trial of right-wing gadfly Roger Stone, the accused sat quietly at the defense table and did something no one expected: He read the Bible.
The sight of Mr. Stone quietly thumbing through the Good Book contrasted sharply with the outlandish persona of the longtime GOP operative whose profane and vulgar texts dominated the prosecutions case.
gibraltar72
(7,504 posts)Jarqui
(10,125 posts)Stone probably has the goods tying Trump to Wikileaks.
Trump already sounds like he's considering a pardon as he talks about unfairness.
Won't be in this news cycle. They're all corrupt so it wouldn't shock me.
Nitram
(22,800 posts)The system does work. This could well play into impeachment. This is evidence of Trump campaign collusion with Russia and Wikileaks.
SWBTATTReg
(22,122 posts)will feel what being a felon is.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)In a society with any sense of what is wrong he would face restitution.
In his case while he is incarcerated that would mean invasive studies
could be done to determine why he did what he did.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hekate
(90,681 posts)TygrBright
(20,759 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)case would likely be significantly shorter. y guess is it will be around 10 years. Let's see if DT pardons this JA, or if he joins his comrads under all the busses DT has out in the parking lot.
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)And there are possibilities of how to handle a "pardon". I.e., a full pardon or just a commutation of sentence - which is what Shrub did with respect to Scooter Libby - not doing the full pardon and leaving the charges in place, but removing the prison sentence (although Drumpf did eventually do the complete pardon removing the charges against Libby later IIRC ).
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)put in prison for the rest of his life.
bluescribbler
(2,116 posts)Couldn't happen to a nicer, (more deserving), gut.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)Marcuse
(7,480 posts)orleans
(34,051 posts)guilty on all 7 counts and will be sentenced when we get around to it? in the meantime, maybe you can get some things together & leave the country until trump can pardon you? maybe you'll be pardoned before sentencing?
wtf???
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)does he get to drive off off in a fancy SUV with his wife after being found guilty across the board, with sentencing not for nearly 3 months, while he gets to run around free?
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)who bought his stupid t-shirts. :p
MartyTheGreek
(565 posts)Does this not prove once and for all that Trump coordinated through Stone for updates and coordinated leaks against Clinton, from data that was stolen by Rusky hackers, under the direction of Pukin and Trump knew where the data came from all along! And, hence the need to keep it all secret!
Media should be reporting illegal Conspiracy Proven!
BumRushDaShow
(128,966 posts)Yet they are still in the "Well the Mueller probe really didn't find anything and only suggested that congress pursue obstruction of justice and...blah blah blah" bullshit dismissive remarks (despite the fact that a number of people were indicted and jailed).
Yet THIS was the money case.
Cohen was spun off for other criminal acts associated with the President. Manafort was spun off for his own criminal acts associated with the President. Flynn was spun off for his own criminal acts associated with the President. And minor players Papadopoulos & Gates were low-hanging fruit who were oddly dismissed from the media focus regarding "collusion" (conspiracy).
But for those obsessing over the "technicalities" of Russia and the election - THIS IS IT. Cozy Bear/Fancy Bear/Guccifer2.0 hacked the DNC server (a la the Watergate break-in and theft of DNC files) and gave the emails to Assange and Wikileaks... And Stone (G. Gordon Liddy-style) was directing the operation and was the conduit to/from the President to ensure that info made it out to as many media people as possible, helping to manufacture and amplify a fake narrative and tilt the election.
Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)I mean the guy that was his "intermediary", never actually had any info or connections. He was just BSing Stone. At least that's what Mueller seems to have believed. Otherwise they wouldn't be using the guy as a witness, if they thought he was lying to them. He also, wouldn't have said he didn't find any evidence of coordination.
Stone was going around pretending he had an inside track to wikileaks but wikileaks publicly called him a liar. This lead to his only private Twitter exchange with the wikileaks Twitter page. In it wikileaks chastises him about lying about working with them.
The real story seems to be a bunch of goofy halfwits conning each other to seem more important than they really were.
Now, the Trump campaign did think Stone had real connections but he didn't. That's probably why Trump obstructed so much. He thought they were colluding! As I said elsewhere it was one bumbling conman conning another bumbling conman who in turned was conning the presidential campaign of another bumbling conman. A Trumpian story if ever there was one.
Link to tweet
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