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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives is now investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House's general counsel said in federal court Monday.
"Did the President lie? Was the President not truthful in his responses to the Mueller investigation?" House general counsel Douglas Letter told the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit about why the House now needs access to grand jury material Mueller collected in his investigation.
Link to tweet
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/
MORE INFO:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/stone-trial-opens-with-information-indicating-donald-trump-may-have-lied-to-robert-mueller/
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)malaise
(269,259 posts)Rec
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,544 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)malaise
(269,259 posts)soon and very soon
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Along with Pompeo and Perry....
usaf-vet
(6,232 posts)Gorsuch for stealing an Obama seat with the help of Moscow Mitch.
Kavanaugh for lying to Congress during his confirmation hearings.
crickets
(25,989 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)they will use it
empedocles
(15,751 posts)malaise
(269,259 posts)Notice she invited him to come into her parlor and speak, or write in his defense.
She knows he already lied to Mueller.
Keep those boots on his neck Sister Nancy!
The Con is up shit creek without a paddle.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)Probably the most intelligent president ever couldn't remember in response to more than 30 questions asked by the Mueller investigation? Why......it's almost like he has something to hide!
nature-lover
(1,471 posts)A day or two ahead would be perfect.
OMGWTF
(3,984 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)and got to ignore a bunch of questions, but he still perjured himself.
That is the Holy Grail. The one thing that GOP leadership agrees is worthy of impeachment.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Tomorrow there will be a fresh excuse about why lying under oath isn't that big a deal, everybody does it, is there even a law against lying under oath?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)something, something Steele Dossier, OBAMA spied!, Hillary, Benghazi!
mucifer
(23,599 posts)jayschool2013
(2,316 posts)for Twitler and the criminals in his administration.
This is so shocking that if we hadn't had four years' warning it would seem to come from a farcical Kubrick satire.
triron
(22,029 posts)kpete
(72,040 posts)Lawyers for the House suggested in a previous court filing that the grand jury material from Robert Muellers investigation could help them determine whether Trump was truthful in his answers to the special counsel.
Not only could those materials demonstrate the presidents motives for obstructing the special counsels investigation, they also could reveal that Trump was aware of his campaigns contacts with WikiLeaks, the lawyers wrote in the late September filing.
They added, Those materials therefore have direct bearing on whether the president was untruthful, and further obstructed the special counsels investigation, when in providing written responses to the special counsels questions he denied being aware of any communications between his campaign and WikiLeaks.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/nov/18/trump-news-today-live-impeachment-hearings-ukraine-republicans-defense-latest-updates
triron
(22,029 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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demosincebirth
(12,550 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And are only now saying so publicly.
As many of us have been saying - just because they weren't talking about it doesn't mean the Democrats weren't on top of this.
Neema
(1,151 posts)Why the pretense?
calimary
(81,565 posts)back-peddling on a liberalized vaping measure he said he was for, until he did a 180 on it. And John King and Dr. Gupta both expressed varying degrees of surprise.
For Petes sake, where have they been for the past three years? Down inside a concrete isolation bunker somewhere? Asleep? Theyre just realizing its only Lucy with the football, promising faithfully and vehemently to Charlie Brown that shed hold it nice n steady so he could run up and kick it. And for the 1052nd time, she yanks the football away a split-second before he reaches kicking position. And he goes down hard, flat on his back with a big SPLAT!!! Again. For the 1052nd time. Suckered AGAIN. And she chuckles what an idiot!
Theres also the old saw about the fox and the scorpion and the river. They both want to cross the river. The scorpion asks the fox for a ride on his back so they both can get across. Fox says are you kidding? Youll sting me and Ill drown! Scorpion says are YOU kidding? Why on earth would I do that? Id drown too! So Fox thinks about it, decides that makes sense so hell do it. Scorpion climbs on Foxs back and Fox starts swimming across the river. They get about halfway and guess what happens? Scorpion up n stings Fox. And as Fox is going down, sinking toward a watery grave, he gasps WHYD you sting me???? Scorpion, yes, going down too, says Im a Scorpion. Thats what I do.
Thats trump, too. Pompeo, for example, is in the Fox position at the moment.
trump is Lucy with the football. trump is the Scorpion. And youd think AT LEAST BY NOW, most of the media would show that they get this. At LEAST by now! After all, this didnt start yesterday and he wasnt born yesterday, and they werent born yesterday - or so one would hope.
This has bothered me for a long time, regarding him especially. This is who and what trump is and what hes always been: a died-in-the-wool congenital pathological liar. And cheat. And bullshit artist.
I get how news anchors as reporters want to curry favor with political and community leaders, accomplished experts, the rich n famous, VIPs of all kinds. I get that. Access is the secret word - AND a near-sacred word by now, too. They can become important sources, especially in the political world. And you DONT want to burn a source. Why? Cuz youll lose that all-important ACCESS.
And theres also the objectivity thing - another cannon sacred to news people and organizations everywhere. And having been a practitioner in that world, I get that. Objectivity is the altar at which you kneel. You show any bias and youre thus regarded as biased. Your credibility and trustworthiness as a news & information broker are frankly all you have.
But trump turns all that on its head. YES, sure, when he explodes onto the scene and becomes a candidate, and even through his first year, okay, give him the benefit of the doubt as you would to any rookie. But For Petes Sake, were in Year THREE of this White House horror show, and BY NOW, surely everything weve witnessed has taught us that this guy no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. Havent we seen enough manifestations of his deceitful miscreant behavior to realize just exactly who and what were dealing with? Have we learned nothing? Everything still has to start from zero, free of context and unfettered by well-documented track record? By now, Id vote NO.
And now, of course, weve got a whole willfully-biased media landscape created to slant and distort for the unsuspecting masses. But thats a whole other story.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)We all know he's a liar, but this is an easy step to take.
He's toast and I hope this impeachment takes until October.
triron
(22,029 posts)mucifer
(23,599 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)Like that was going to happen Anyway, it is about damn time.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Johonny
(20,942 posts)Grammy23
(5,815 posts)Is the Pope Catholic??
Is a pork chop greasy??
You tell me.
calimary
(81,565 posts)Does the Pope shit in the woods with Catholic bears?
cannabis_flower
(3,769 posts)Is a bear Catholic?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?
calimary
(81,565 posts)for his own observation.
Oh those Catholic bears...
spanone
(135,921 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Did Trump lie??? Tell me another one. I know the punchline and the joke is getting a bit old.
(insert simile or metaphor here)
BootinUp
(47,209 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,266 posts)mopinko
(70,307 posts)tho i suspect that any obstruction of justice article would include those events staked out in the mueller report. as soon as they get their hands on the grand jury material, and the unredacted report, it had to all come back in.
esp the name of paul manafort.
kimbutgar
(21,240 posts)Death by a thousand cuts will ultimately destroy mf45.
Bring it on Democrats!
triron
(22,029 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)triron
(22,029 posts)2020. WTF!? This should be expedited! Why the stalling? Impeachment in the House may well be done
by then.
panfluteman
(2,075 posts)Investigating that is almost like asking yourself if the sun rises every morning.
calimary
(81,565 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,029 posts)Kinda think it was about 20 years ago...
NRaleighLiberal
(60,031 posts)maxsolomon
(33,449 posts)I'd always thought that was a pretty bulletproof dodge.
You can't PROVE that his janky-ass memory is functional.
triron
(22,029 posts)tanyev
(42,663 posts)mahina
(17,734 posts)Jarqui
(10,131 posts)since taking office....
I'd be shocked if they determined Trump didn't lie or did not attempt to deceive Mueller.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)he has lied to everyone, about everything.
If our system of government works, he will be gone soon.
If our system of law works, he will be in prison soon.
If these things do not occur, soon, well - you can figure that out for yourselves.
Initech
(100,129 posts)Yes? Then he is lying. Case closed.
Nitram
(22,945 posts)Mueller wrote in his report that the reason they couldn't confirm collaboration with the Russians was that everybody in the know stonewalled the investigation. Exactly what saved Cheney during the Plane investigation.
triron
(22,029 posts)Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)and despite having the best memory in world history, he immediately forgets about wanting to commit the crimes.
He then tells everybody under him and around him to commit the crimes, then forgets he told them. He then remembers he told them he wants the crimes committed, and follows up with them to demand progress reports on the crimes he wants committed.
Then he immediately forgets that he followed up with demands for progress reports. Then he demands the proceeds from the crimes he wanted committed, then he immediately forgets all about it after he receives the proceeds. Then he forgets he knows all the people under him and around him who he ordered to commit the crimes. He doesn't know them at all, and can't remember even meeting them.
Then he's questioned about it, and says he has no memory of any of it. Then he remembers to check on the proceeds of the crimes to make sure they're still there. Then he swears under oath that he can't remember.