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The next time you feel like bashing the South on DU, remember Alabama's Lilly Ledbetter... (Original Post) WilliamPitt Sep 2012 OP
She rocks! Lifelong Protester Sep 2012 #1
Loved her deep south drawl giving that truly liberal message! Surya Gayatri Sep 2012 #2
Hear, hear BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #3
You said a mouthful, WP! nolabear Sep 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #5
Some of the exceptions are here on DU. Keep that in mind. nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #8
And the two posters just beyond you make Fawke Em Sep 2012 #9
you need to look up the word bigot scheming daemons Sep 2012 #17
YOU need to look in the mirror. cordelia Sep 2012 #23
Bigot: Fawke Em Sep 2012 #27
Good by your definition I am not a bigot nopedontlikeitatall Sep 2012 #60
Thank you. cordelia Sep 2012 #18
Its more like 3:2 not 100:1 aikoaiko Sep 2012 #13
I am about to get my first post hidden. nolabear Sep 2012 #19
Lilly was and is awesome scheming daemons Sep 2012 #25
Spent a lot of time there, have you? WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #26
Obviously not. cordelia Sep 2012 #30
actually, yes scheming daemons Sep 2012 #31
Where and when? WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #32
And THIS ugly narrow-minded wedge politics is why "ignore" is my friend. nt ncgrits Sep 2012 #35
This gal from Tennessee thanks you, Will Pitt! nt Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #6
OBAMA Y'ALL! Fawke Em Sep 2012 #7
I have no daughters to name after her, but my next girlie dog might just well wear the moniker! hlthe2b Sep 2012 #10
She's a Southern girl - so she'd be just as proud. Fawke Em Sep 2012 #34
Hell yeah! I know a dog named "Roy Williams" for the UNC Basketball coach here in NC! . . . ncgrits Sep 2012 #37
Lilly was awesome. blue neen Sep 2012 #11
I was a little annoyed by Corey Booker's stridency rocktivity Sep 2012 #12
I Love It... She's From Possum Trot, Alabama WillyT Sep 2012 #14
When I heard that thick southern accent I did a double take aint_no_life_nowhere Sep 2012 #15
She reminds me of Ann Richards Horse with no Name Sep 2012 #16
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #20
+1 nolabear Sep 2012 #22
Same here. DURHAM D Sep 2012 #38
Bingo...I could almost hear "Pooooooooor George"... Historic NY Sep 2012 #51
thanks for that point marions ghost Sep 2012 #66
She Does oliverrams1 Sep 2012 #54
She's always been an inspiration to those of us fighting in the trenches in the south. Lone_Star_Dem Sep 2012 #21
Thanks WilliamPitt! Iris Sep 2012 #24
Thank you, Mr. Pitt. cordelia Sep 2012 #28
Thanks, Will! pacalo Sep 2012 #29
Well said WilliamPitt. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #36
Big Georgia kick and rec SmileyRose Sep 2012 #39
Lilly was fantabulous! What a speaker! What a great broad! nt valerief Sep 2012 #40
I'll stick to bashing Southern conservatives meow2u3 Sep 2012 #41
Thanks, Will. I owe you a Moon Pie klook Sep 2012 #42
Loved her Politicub Sep 2012 #43
...and remember Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter! Jim Clyburn, Martin Luther King, Jr., John Lewis... Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2012 #44
And Al Gore, Stephen Colbert, the Dixie Chicks, Jimmy Buffett... mentalsolstice Sep 2012 #85
it gives good convention, eh? nt barbtries Sep 2012 #45
And Julian Castro! Lone_Star_Dem Sep 2012 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #47
Why? WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #72
But why bookmark the thread? WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #81
I was impressed by her grace Generic Other Sep 2012 #48
I'll never understand... waronxmas Sep 2012 #49
Paranoid I assume? Why so sensitive? Logical Sep 2012 #50
Mighty thin skin down there. Son of Gob Sep 2012 #57
Wrong. cordelia Sep 2012 #70
agreed gaspee Sep 2012 #78
WTF Alcibiades Sep 2012 #52
Thank you. moondust Sep 2012 #56
exactly gaspee Sep 2012 #79
So, I shouldn't see Lilly as an American.... Moonwalk Sep 2012 #53
My Southern Wrath Only Targets Republicans, Klan Members, and Phony Libertarians mckara Sep 2012 #55
That was pretty masterful because I can't deny that all of those exist pacalo Sep 2012 #58
I Know. None of Us Live in a "Pure" Region mckara Sep 2012 #83
It is indeed exasperating to live in a state that refuses to look forward. pacalo Sep 2012 #86
I see you do not believe in free speech nopedontlikeitatall Sep 2012 #59
Ha! WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #68
Thanks Will! We Southerners need all the help we can get on this forum. juajen Sep 2012 #61
And for Texas... jmondine Sep 2012 #62
Ich bin ein Southerner marions ghost Sep 2012 #63
Thank you Will madokie Sep 2012 #64
When Southern Gals kick ass they KICK ASS! lunatica Sep 2012 #65
I usually don't Rec. one sentence OP's Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #69
I agree, but there are some on this site who believe the wage gap is a myth. redqueen Sep 2012 #71
White southern Democrats tend to sound like Heath Shuler, NOT like Lilly Ledbetter ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2012 #74
Wish I could gaspee Sep 2012 #80
+1 Go Vols Sep 2012 #75
and that goes for those so inclined to bash Mormons. Harry Reid and other Democrat are Mormons. still_one Sep 2012 #76
she was fantastic! JitterbugPerfume Sep 2012 #77
k&r...this southern woman says thanks! eom ms liberty Sep 2012 #82
Thanks. David Zephyr Sep 2012 #84

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
1. She rocks!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:53 PM
Sep 2012

I hear her drawl and I know I need to cut the Dem southerners slack.

She is courageous, a good speaker, and really brought the message home.

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
9. And the two posters just beyond you make
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:57 PM
Sep 2012

you seem as bigoted as you are.

BTW... your avatar... he's Southern. From South Carolina, I believe.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
17. you need to look up the word bigot
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:59 PM
Sep 2012

Calling racist fucks in Alabama racist fucks OS the opposite of bigoted.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
27. Bigot:
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:04 PM
Sep 2012

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.

Hmmm.... seems like you're treating a GROUP - Southerners - as one and treating us with hatred and intolerance.

BIGOT.

 
60. Good by your definition I am not a bigot
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 04:51 AM
Sep 2012

Not giving a damn about the south or its inhabitants is not bigotry; neither is boycotting and avoiding the south bigotry.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
19. I am about to get my first post hidden.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

Can't you cut the dickitude for one week? If that's what you got out of that mighty speech I feel sorry for you.

Response to scheming daemons (Reply #25)

hlthe2b

(102,361 posts)
10. I have no daughters to name after her, but my next girlie dog might just well wear the moniker!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:57 PM
Sep 2012

Lillie Ledbetter. What a great person--who made a real difference.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
34. She's a Southern girl - so she'd be just as proud.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:07 PM
Sep 2012

Hell, in the South, naming your dog after someone is just a hair shy of naming your child after that person.

All kidding aside, it really is a compliment in most parts of the South.

I was at the drive-thru Walgreens and watched a good old boy with his coon hound in the back and his Yorkie in his lap make his purchase. It was so cute.

ncgrits

(916 posts)
37. Hell yeah! I know a dog named "Roy Williams" for the UNC Basketball coach here in NC! . . .
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:11 PM
Sep 2012

Lilly would be honored!

And thank you, Will, from this Carolina Democrat!!! (said with a Southern accent)

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
12. I was a little annoyed by Corey Booker's stridency
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 09:58 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)

but it looks likes everybody picked up on it -- I've liked just about everybody I've seen so far!


rocktivity

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
51. Bingo...I could almost hear "Pooooooooor George"...
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:00 AM
Sep 2012

I've got displaced northern kin from Florida to Mississippi....

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
21. She's always been an inspiration to those of us fighting in the trenches in the south.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
Sep 2012

She is an amazing person.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
29. Thanks, Will!
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:06 PM
Sep 2012

Listening to her, I was reminded a little of the late Ann Richards' horse sense & spunk.

meow2u3

(24,773 posts)
41. I'll stick to bashing Southern conservatives
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:44 PM
Sep 2012

They're the ones who give the South a bad name. I know because I used to live in the South.

I have seen Southern liberals and conservatives and it's the regressives who are hellbent on destroying democracy and replacing it with a dictatorship of the rich and powerful, using religion as a weapon to control and intimidate people instead of actually bringing us closer to God.

klook

(12,166 posts)
42. Thanks, Will. I owe you a Moon Pie
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

and a R.C. Cola. (Always have to say "a" R.C. Cola...)

- klook, Alabama native now fighting the good fight in Georgia

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
43. Loved her
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:49 PM
Sep 2012

I had never heard her tell her story. Brought me to tears hearing the conviction in her voice.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
44. ...and remember Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter! Jim Clyburn, Martin Luther King, Jr., John Lewis...
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012

...and all the Southern heroes that made this country what it is today!!!!

mentalsolstice

(4,461 posts)
85. And Al Gore, Stephen Colbert, the Dixie Chicks, Jimmy Buffett...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 06:29 PM
Sep 2012

We've got all kinds of intellect and talent from down here.

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #67)

Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #73)

waronxmas

(52 posts)
49. I'll never understand...
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 11:38 PM
Sep 2012

...the need of people (especially on DU) to talk bad about Southerners. Lilly Ledbetter, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Dr. Martin Luther King...I could go on, but I'll advise anyone like the OP did who thinks to blank criticize Southerners or our liberal/progressive street cred to please STFU.

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
57. Mighty thin skin down there.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 01:54 AM
Sep 2012

IMO it seems like there is about ten times as much complaining about South bashing than actual south bashing.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
78. agreed
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 04:29 PM
Sep 2012

Inferiority complex, much?

There's lots of north bashing to go around.

I've lived both places, though I am a New Englander born and bred. You couldn't pay me to live in the south ever again. Too hot and humid for my tastes.

Is complaining about the weather south bashing?

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
52. WTF
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:22 AM
Sep 2012


Time for another round of internecine circular firing squad action.

I'm a southerner, been one all my life, and my family has been in the Carolinas since 1688. Of course, this will probably invite the typical "I'm more southern than you" bullshit, but whatever.

What people don't get is how the once-solid south, with a long tradition of populism, went over to the dark side: how it is that a majority of white folks in the south, where more people get checks from the government than in any other region, and where military largesse is liberally spread around, came to drink the drink the GOP "all government is bad" Kool Aid. Most people do understand that this happened at the very moment the GOP ceased to be the party of Lincoln, and adopted its southern strategy. The same sorts of people who once supported Lester Maddox and George Wallace are still around, and I think when folks criticize a certain type of white southern person, this is who they have in mind.


The Maddox and Wallace people were teabaggers before it was even a thing. Same message, same people, different day.

Fact is, if you are a white southern progressive, you've already probably taken pains so that folks don't confuse you with these people. If you're a southern progressive, you can take pride in the fact that all eyes are on the Democratic National Convention in the Queen City.

The only thing less productive than this sort of thing is to revisit the 2008 Democratic primary.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
56. Thank you.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:37 AM
Sep 2012

"The same sorts of people who once supported Lester Maddox and George Wallace are still around, and I think when folks criticize a certain type of white southern person, this is who they have in mind."

Agree completely.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
53. So, I shouldn't see Lilly as an American....
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 12:23 AM
Sep 2012

I should see her as a Southerner? Because you seem to be saying that only half the country gets to be proud of this woman. Does this also mean that only women get to be proud of her, not men, because she's a woman?

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
58. That was pretty masterful because I can't deny that all of those exist
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:34 AM
Sep 2012

in the South (& you did make me chuckle), but those groups also exist in the North, East, & West as well. Backward rednecks & phony ideologues (I call them hypocrites) can be found anywhere.


 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
83. I Know. None of Us Live in a "Pure" Region
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 04:18 PM
Sep 2012

Really, I have sympathy for you enlightened Southerners who live as a minority in the South, because your opponents appear to be knuckle-dragging Neanderthals [no offense to Neanderthals reading this post]. Fortunately, you guys are making progress in Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. I must admit that almost every great American writer has been a Son/Daughter of the South!

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
86. It is indeed exasperating to live in a state that refuses to look forward.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

President Kennedy inspired me so much as a young child that his sense of direction stuck with me. For an adult -- a stranger I'd only seen on tv -- to have captured my curiosity like John F. Kennedy did when I was 7 years old is my testament to how special & charismatic he was. At that age, I was wrapped up in kid stuff like playing marbles with the guys, playing jacks, hopscotch, & jump-rope with the girls, playing sandlot softball, playing yard games with neighborhood kids -- to have touched me so profoundly at that point in my young life underlines what an amazing presence he had.

For those of us living in red states, DU is a godsend in finding like minds. I believe the internet is our best hope for strangulating the backward ideas of the knuckle-dragging Neanderthals; there is no other more effective way of getting the word out or in organizing. Those southern states you mentioned most assuredly owe their progression largely to the internet's influence.

 
59. I see you do not believe in free speech
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 04:46 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Wed Sep 5, 2012, 05:33 AM - Edit history (1)

If it were not for the bigotry of the south the Lilly Ledbetter Act would not even been needed.

Same holds true with the majority of laws passed in America over the last 60+ years.

Strange telling people to shut the fuck up is ok but posting the truth about the south, which SOME consider bashing, is bad.




marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
63. Ich bin ein Southerner
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:16 AM
Sep 2012

"I am one with the Southern people"

(...recalling JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner...)

We can't afford regional divisions and scapegoating with a broad brush if we want to change anything around here. (duh)


Solidarnosc y'all?

madokie

(51,076 posts)
64. Thank you Will
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:19 AM
Sep 2012

Northeast Oklahoma here but I talk like I'm from the south and identify with the south so it was with a smile that I read what you said.
Peace

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
65. When Southern Gals kick ass they KICK ASS!
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:20 AM
Sep 2012

Half my family is from North Carolina. Women rule and they do it with a velvet glove. but when they take the gloves off, people best watch themselves. Lilly dragged them all to the Supreme Court and then to the White House.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
71. I agree, but there are some on this site who believe the wage gap is a myth.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 09:37 AM
Sep 2012

I guess they think it was rad fems in congress who wrote the Paycheck Fairness Act.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
74. White southern Democrats tend to sound like Heath Shuler, NOT like Lilly Ledbetter
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sep 2012

Of 146 House seats for the 13 states of the former Confederacy, 42 are held by Democrats. The vast majority of these Democrats are progressive African-Americans or Hispanics. Except for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz of atypical Florida, and Jim Moran of atypical NVA, among white southern Democrats in the House, voices as progressive as Lilly Ledbetter's are as common as unicorns, Check this list of the 42 southern Democrats in the House for yourself and try to prove me wrong.

D AL07 Sewell_Terri_A__________
D FL03 Brown_Corrine___________
D FL11 Castor_Kathy____________
D FL17 Wilson_Frederica________
D FL19 Deutch_Ted______________

D FL20 Wasserman-Schultz_Debbie
D FL23 Hastings_Alcee_L________
D GA02 Bishop_Jr_Sanford_D_____
D GA04 Johnson_Henry_C_Hank_Jr_
D GA05 Lewis_John______________

D GA12 Barrow_John_____________
D GA13 Scott_David_____________
D AR04 Ross_Mike_______________
D KY03 Yarmuth_John_A__________
D KY06 Chandler_Ben____________

D LA02 Richmond_Cedric_________
D MS02 Thompson_Bennie_G_______
D MO01 Clay_Jr_William_Lacy____
D MO03 Carnahan_Russ___________
D MO05 Cleaver_Emanuel_________

D NC01 Butterfield_GK__________
D NC04 Price_David_____________
D NC07 McIntyre_Mike___________
D NC08 Kissell_Larry___________
D NC11 Shuler_Heath____________

D NC12 Watt_Mel________________
D NC13 Miller_Brad_____________
D SC06 Clyburn_James_E_________
D TN05 Cooper_Jim______________
D TN09 Cohen_Steve_____________

D TX09 Green_Al________________
D TX15 Hinojosa_Rubén__________
D TX16 Reyes_Silvestre_________
D TX18 Jackson-Lee_Sheila______
D TX20 Gonzalez_Charlie_A______

D TX25 Doggett_Lloyd___________
D TX28 Cuellar_Henry___________
D TX29 Green_Gene______________
D TX30 Johnson_Eddie_Bernice___
D VA03 Scott_Robert_C__________

D VA08 Moran_James_____________
D VA11 Connolly_Gerald_E_Gerry_

still_one

(92,403 posts)
76. and that goes for those so inclined to bash Mormons. Harry Reid and other Democrat are Mormons.
Wed Sep 5, 2012, 03:19 PM
Sep 2012

However, when a church or a state takes an action, let's say against civil rights, how do you criticize that state or institution without condensing everyone who is part of it?

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
84. Thanks.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 05:41 PM
Sep 2012

This has to be said from time to time here.

It's not easy to be progressive in the South. It take grit.

Thanks for your post and keeping it real.

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