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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy is the media pretending not to know why we're having record-high temperatures?>
I'm not just talking about Fox! Earlier tonight, Brian Williams and a guy from the Weather Channel were discussing the non-winter most of the country is having, and they blamed it on the jet stream! Neither "global warming" or "climate change" were mentioned! And it's no different on ABC or CBS or any other of our networks.
On BBC, GW & CC are presently as FACTUAL, the way they ought to be. Our "free press" is bought and paid for!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Survivoreesta
(221 posts)And when you keep having abnormally warm weather over and over and over, it becomes climate!
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)a decade becomes a pattern.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Though you can bet on one thing - extremely cold weather and the M$M would be on it and how it proves there is no global warming - even though it would just be weather.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)So they make like this is all perfectly normal, that temps are always swinging wildly up and down and seasons are reversed all the time and always have been. It's just part of denialism, but this way then can't be accused of OVERTLY denying climate change.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)you can't expect to find truth on the decks of the Titanic! The band is going to keep right on playing to placate the sheeple as long as humanly possible. In the meantime, Empire USA and unregulated capitalism are going down by the bow and sinking faster every year...
NBachers
(17,188 posts)I'm enjoyin' the weather, but something's a little . . . off
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)Hasn't been any. You can see some on Mt Shasta and off in the Trinity Alps, but usually there's plenty down here too. And you can drive all the way to Vancouver without seeing any on the side of the road. Not very typical for January in the mountains.
Can't complain too much about the sunny weather, but bad things are going to happen this summer if we don't start building a snowpack.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)if we don't start building a snowpack."
See, avoidance of addressing climate change and global warming, I'm used to that.
But ignoring the consequences of this, the lack of substantially snowpack... that is startling to me, and also distressing.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)Everything to the north would be frozen solid since all the cold air would be trapped up there (by the jet stream).
By now, everything from the southern Canadian border to the north pole should look like a scene from "The Day After Tomorrow". Strangely, I haven't heard that.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)We take the bus, so in the winter we are usually dressed in several layers or just stay home when it is an optional trip like today. We wore light jackets and felt over dressed when we got our price reduced winter apparell, wore it anyway cause it is new and all and winter...
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)provis99
(13,062 posts)if there's not a layer of snow in early spring, the soil won't retain moisture, and the crops won't grow.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)On January 6, which is supposed to be the coldest time of the year.
We're fucked.
Survivoreesta
(221 posts)will be fucked! I wonder how the wingnuts will react when we have to buy our food from Russia and Yanukovich's Ukraine?
PurityOfEssence
(13,150 posts)There has been no rain. None. It's usually in the 60s and falling to the 40s this time of year, and has been for the over 20 years I've lived here.
The weather is most pleasant, but it's scary.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Note well the almost complete and total lack of said in California.
And the water year graph for the northern Sierras:
Zorra
(27,670 posts)redqueen
(115,108 posts)or is that frightening?
Burge
(17 posts)The average temperature of 56.3 degrees in the second half of 2011 was the second-highest on record, according to the Minnesota Climatology Working Group.
That's 4.8 degrees above what's considered normal.
In records dating to 1873, the only warmer July-December period was in 1931, when the average was 56.8 degrees.
The average temperature in the Twin Cities for the entire year was 47.7 degrees, the 11th-warmest since 1871 and 1.5 degrees above normal, according to the National Weather Service.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_19672484?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com
Looks like the press in St. Paul isn't ignoring it.
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)I was pleased with the coverage.
Survivoreesta
(221 posts)But only 3 recommendations. This is an odd place sometimes!
Survivoreesta
(221 posts)Four!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Survivoreesta
(221 posts)But it's all right either way. Thanks for the thought!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)Melting polar regions and snowless winters across the US are not. Big shock.
I live in a mountain town that normally has highs in the 20's or 30's this time of year and all the ski areas are closed due to lack of snow. Today was warm and sunny.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)Just like the tea party is a huge nation wide grassroots movement deserving flattering coverage but OWS is just a few dirty hippies and silly students.
Mainstream news is a very bad joke.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Read on that blog
Or here on DU
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002126686
(Same effective post, one has no photos)
Car chases and crashes are easy to cover... complex things not so much.
While talking about a specific occupy story... that one is relatively easy when compared to... global weather change....
And then there is who owns them.
But as I said, that is partially the answer.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)OK, so climate change has altered the jet stream and the jet stream is effecting the weather.
The reason is that the jet stream goes through a cycle where it sometimes holds all the arctic air up near the pole (as it is now) and sometimes drops it down to the lower latitudes (as it did last year). If we try to blame one part of the cycle on climate change then as soon as the other part of the cycle kicks in all the deniers will claim it is evidence that climate change isn't real.
More Extreme Weather Patterns
We are in one now, a warm dry one.
thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)Global warming predicts that the average temperature of the planet will increase by about 2 degrees by 2050.
The fact that some areas are experiencing temperatures of 6+ degrees above normal at the moment is not evidence of global warming, any more than the fact that we will no doubt have stretches that are well below normal in the future would be evidence that global warming does not exist.
There are connections between weather and climate, but individual short term weather events are not evidence for or against any climate projection.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)This year will probably be even hotter. Research shows conclusively, that since the advent of the industrial revolution, there has been a steady increase in the average global temperature, with the last thirty years seeing a rise each year.
When current weather patterns are placed in their proper context, conclusions about them can be logically drawn.
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)We'll see on 1/18 which is usually -40 with -50 to -70 wind chills. it was in the 40's there today.
thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)Some days that are 60-80 degrees above normal are not "proof" of something that is supposed to increase, on average, only 2 degrees over 40 years. Just as some other event somewhere where some days might be far below normal would not "prove" that global warming is a hoax. Individual weather events, as extreme as they may be, individually, do not prove anything here.
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)a very well known climate phenomena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_oscillation
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)the choices they make or Wall St makes for them. Imagine the tremors felt all across the world financial markets if people actually learned and grew a conscience about flying & driving or the consequences of the massive pollution and deforestation they profit from by investing in the stock market. The 1% care nothing for that to happen. Only the future children of this planet who won't be able to afford the comforts and safety of the privileged elite will suffer for the selfish choices of man today.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Checking the http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ NSDIC Arctic Sea Ice News gives some information.
Quote: The past two Arctic winters were dominated by a negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation, a large-scale weather pattern that brings generally warm conditions to the Arctic and colder conditions to Europe and North America. In contrast, the winter of 2011 has so far seen a mostly positive phase of the Arctic Oscillation. While temperatures were above normal in the Kara and Barents seas, the positive phase of the Arctic Oscillation tends to keep the coldest winter air locked up in the Arctic, which keeps the middle latitudes free of frigid Arctic temperatures and strong snowstorms. This weather pattern helps to explain the low snow cover and warm conditions over much of the United States and Eastern Europe so far this winter.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)or the MSM, is owned by big corporations, the interests of which mesh perfectly with those of other big corporations. They all have an interest in promoting the status quo, because it is comfortable and profitable. There's no conspiracy or anything. It's just that there is little profit and much hard work, hard thinking and hard sacrifices associated with the type of radical change that will be required to prevent our extinction from the damage we are doing to our biosphere.
FirstLight
(13,368 posts)we are still in the 'fire season' here in the high sierras...no water at all to speak of...and after last winter lasting till july, i am relieved, but know it is bad juju.
still...a little warming would be okay, can we just skip to beach weather?
eridani
(51,907 posts)--but nobody wants to talk about it.
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NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)They mumble something under their breath and then change the subject.
That has happened several times already.
Don
slay
(7,670 posts)our mainstream media has totally failed us. seem like in America these days - facts truly don't matter - reality is whatever pro-corporate conservatives want it to be cause they own and run just about every big business - including the media.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)so maybe it's a good thing that people don't always assume that warm winter = climate change.
But yes, I agree that climate change and global warming needs to be addressed. We need to do an intervention of sorts, for people still in denial that there is a problem.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2012, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)
More energy in the atmosphere can translate into more precipitation events, even in the form of snow. At some point however, the ice at the poles will be so diminished, that there will be no more snow below certain latitudes. If we experience the feedback loops that have been theorized in recent years, such as the release of large quantities of methane from the sea floor and permafrost (a gas that is many times more potent than co2 as a catalyst for global warming ), who knows where it could all end?
redqueen
(115,108 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)NOTHING is more important than this issue. ALL the conflict and aggression between states has to stop. Governments MUST work together NOW to address this issue. If not, I can't see our civilization surviving this century.
redqueen
(115,108 posts)it seemed like business as usual.
Maybe they're hoping for a massive negative feedback loop. I don't know but I don't have much hope.
stuntcat
(12,022 posts)I was already losing hope in people.. and then came that year of absolutely idiotic comments from everyone I went near.
DeathToTheOil
(1,124 posts)Us Godless Commie Canucks believe in---shh, don't tell Washington---science!
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)The weather network (here in Canada) was droning on today about the jetstream too as it was showing people golfing in January. No mention of climate change.
I'm in Edmonton. Last year we had so much g'damn snow I had no place left to shovel it (although it wasn't a particularly cold year, just tons of snow). This year I've shoveled once. And we've been on the positive side of melting more often than not. Tomorrow the high is forecast to be +7 C (43 F) and those are the kind of temps we've been having all winter. When I was growing up we often had very cold weather punctuated by numerous Chinooks. Over the last few years, only one year was snowy and none were as cold as when i was growing up - there is no cold between the chinooks. Right now, I can see my neighbour's green grass. We're under a freezing rain warning. I don't remember freezing rain ever when I was growing up. This is our 3rd time this year.
The biggest problem we have is most people in the cities (Edmonton, Winnipeg) aren't particularly concerned with global warming b/c they are rooting for it. They are loving this weather. Intellectually they know it can't be good but they are enjoying it too much.
Uncle Joe
(58,559 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 6, 2012, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)
You're expendable to the almighty dollar and the rule of corporate supremacy, selling commercials, making mega-bucks, brain-washing or dumbing down the people and enabling corporate supremacist loving politicians to power is what the corporate media is all about.
Thanks for the thread, Survivoreesta.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)People don't want to believe that humanity is capable of such soulless greed. Soulless greed orchestrated on a massive scale is one thing we can rely on to be true in the world.
ItNerd4life
(1,067 posts)that weather and climate aren't related. They said this because Republicans were denying global warming
because it was so cold.
hack89
(39,171 posts)which is a very well known climate phenomena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_oscillation
chrisa
(4,524 posts)We're having a different weather pattern this year.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)global climate change. Or, it may not. We don't know, one way or the other at this time.
Broderick
(4,578 posts)strange even for Virginia
Survivoreesta
(221 posts)Also reporting of oddly-warm weather, so you're not alone!
getdown
(525 posts)that we are allowed to know
spanone
(135,947 posts)Survivoreesta
(221 posts)Remember Inhofe and "Al Gore's New Home"?
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)They hire "Weather Men".
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Big oil---> Big money---> Big advertising---> Any more questions?
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)right now. That does not mean that global climate change isn't influencing the jet stream, though. Small warming trends may well affect weather patterns. In fact, it's almost certain that it will.
So, it's not one or the other. The weather this year may be caused by the jet stream, but the jet stream is influenced by global patterns, which may include an increase in global temperature.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)December 2011 jet stream pattern the most extreme on record
The cause of this warm first half of winter is the most extreme configuration of the jet stream ever recorded, as measured by the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). The Arctic Oscillation (AO), and its close cousin, the North Atlantic Oscillation (which can be thought of as the North Atlantic's portion of the larger-scale AO), are climate patterns in the Northern Hemisphere defined by fluctuations in the difference of sea-level pressure in the North Atlantic between the Icelandic Low and the Azores High. The AO and NAO have significant impacts on winter weather in North America and Europe--the AO and NAO affect the path, intensity, and shape of the jet stream, influencing where storms track and how strong these storms become. During December 2011, the NAO index was +2.52, which was the most extreme difference in pressure between Iceland and the Azores ever observed in December (records of the NAO go back to 1865.) The AO during December 2011 had its second most extreme December value on record, behind the equally unusual December of 2006. These positive AO/NAO conditions caused the Icelandic Low to draw a strong south-westerly flow of air over eastern North America, preventing Arctic air from plunging southward over the U.S. and Europe.
Survivoreesta
(221 posts)The Europeans acknowledge that Earth is heating up. They're not afraid of the religious extremists!
Iggo
(47,597 posts)They're afraid of the Holy Rollers! Remember James Watt, Reagan's Interior Secretary?
Iggo
(47,597 posts)The appointment of James Watt was my first inkling that there were people in the highest level of government who didn't care about people, the environment, the future, or anything other than themselves. I never got that before then. But I was starting to.
ddeclue
(16,733 posts)DeathToTheOil
(1,124 posts)Those climate-change liberals are just silly! Silly, I tells ya!
former9thward
(32,161 posts)Should the networks have had people on them denying climate change just because of all the snow last year? You don't know the difference between climate change and weather.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)concern about climate change will cut into their profits.
I'm sure they all have strict orders from the top to mention it as little as possible.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002247991|
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16817162
At least 60 people have died due to freezing conditions caused by a cold snap in eastern and central Europe.
The drop in temperatures, forcing some countries to deploy the army and set up emergency shelters, is set to continue to Friday, forecasters say.