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UK election - need your opinions of the significance of this. (Original Post) mia Dec 2019 OP
Jeremy Corbyn is an exceptionally unpopular and unlikable politician. He lost it for Labour. LonePirate Dec 2019 #1
Thank you. mia Dec 2019 #3
Who would you have liked to be the candidate? mvd Dec 2019 #13
I don't know. mia Dec 2019 #15
Corbyn is a terrible politician. H2O Man Dec 2019 #12
Many complained that Tony Blair was too conservative Polybius Dec 2019 #19
Once the Conservatives destory the UK via Brexit and demolishing the NHS, maybe voters will wise up. LonePirate Dec 2019 #21
I am worried the Conservatives might sell out the NHS mvd Dec 2019 #2
The NHS is now on the menu and the GOP & IT45 are hungry. bronxiteforever Dec 2019 #4
Thank you. Just looked up the NHS and came across this: mia Dec 2019 #8
+1 good article. Thanks for posting. bronxiteforever Dec 2019 #10
Thanks for this mvd Dec 2019 #11
So, they are terrified of it Bettie Dec 2019 #16
Thank you for trying to make some sense out of the results. mia Dec 2019 #18
That's about where I am Bettie Dec 2019 #22
Scottish independence. roamer65 Dec 2019 #5
Johnson won't allow it. OliverQ Dec 2019 #6
Johnson will have no say on it. roamer65 Dec 2019 #9
Remember, all politics is local DFW Dec 2019 #7
What a funny and thoughtful comment. mia Dec 2019 #14
All the warning signs were there and they doubled down Amishman Dec 2019 #17
I wonder if similarly ambitious platforms be hard to sell here in 2020. mia Dec 2019 #20
My opinion: We're witnessing a nation in its death throes. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #23
I don't know but I sure wasn't expecting anything like this n/t malaise Dec 2019 #24
Corbyn was polling at 41% and his octoberlib Dec 2019 #25
I'm hoping a new leader will bring Labour back! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #26

LonePirate

(13,429 posts)
1. Jeremy Corbyn is an exceptionally unpopular and unlikable politician. He lost it for Labour.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 08:59 PM
Dec 2019

Had someone else been heading up the Labour Party, they might have won this election instead of suffering the biggest loss in about 90 years.

mvd

(65,179 posts)
13. Who would you have liked to be the candidate?
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:27 PM
Dec 2019

I would have hated another Tony Blair type. Personally I like Corbyn. But I don’t know a lot about who else would be in the running.

H2O Man

(73,581 posts)
12. Corbyn is a terrible politician.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:27 PM
Dec 2019

I agree. Well said. I think a number of others would have been far, far more likely to win.

Polybius

(15,465 posts)
19. Many complained that Tony Blair was too conservative
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:45 PM
Dec 2019

So now we lose 80+ seats with Jill Stein, I mean Corbyn. I'm sick of purists, what the world needs now is another Bill Clinton (Blair).

LonePirate

(13,429 posts)
21. Once the Conservatives destory the UK via Brexit and demolishing the NHS, maybe voters will wise up.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 12:10 AM
Dec 2019

It's sad how burning it all down might - and it is a big might - be the only way for voters to realize the error of their ways. The ignorance and racism driving the pro-Leave (Brexit) stance will be tough to overcome as those types of people do not readily confront or address their mistakes.

mvd

(65,179 posts)
2. I am worried the Conservatives might sell out the NHS
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:01 PM
Dec 2019

That would be disastrous. It is the Conservatives that have weakened it, and then they give excuses as to why they don’t need it. Sounds similar to what the Repukes do here.

If getting the Brexit issue over was the big factor, sounds like the British are becoming as dumbed down as Americans.

I have always liked Corbyn as New Labour is too much like New Dems. He has fought them.

mia

(8,361 posts)
8. Thank you. Just looked up the NHS and came across this:
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:20 PM
Dec 2019

Trump infects once again.

British Voters Are Terrified of US Companies Privatizing the NHS. They Should Be.

As has been widely reported, if the Conservatives win the British election, a potential trade deal with the United States could put vital parts of the NHS at risk of privatization. “I think everything with the trade deal is on the table,” Donald Trump has remarked. “NHS or anything else … everything will be on the table, absolutely.”

Those of us across the pond are horrified on the UK’s behalf. Don’t let Trump and his cronies carve up the NHS. Vote and fight as if your life depends on it – because it does.

A jaw-dropping 34 million Americans say a friend or family member died because they were unable to afford medical treatment. That’s what it means for the health services to be “on the table”.

Given the high stakes, it’s no wonder my social media feeds have been dominated by videos informing British voters of the horrors of US healthcare and the superiority of the British model. In one, which has chalked up over 20 million views, Londoners are stunned by the cost of routine procedures such as giving birth in a hospital. Their jaws drop when they hear the extortionate rates charged for prescription drugs. “So if you’re poor, you die?” a young woman asks incredulously. The answer, too often, is yes....


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/12/british-voters-are-terrified-us-companies-privatizing-nhs-they-should-be

Bettie

(16,118 posts)
16. So, they are terrified of it
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:00 PM
Dec 2019

but they voted for the people most likely to do it?

That makes no sense. At. All.

mia

(8,361 posts)
18. Thank you for trying to make some sense out of the results.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019

It's as if the vote has been rigged somehow. I no longer believe in fair elections.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
9. Johnson will have no say on it.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:21 PM
Dec 2019

The EU will back Scottish independence and membership or Johnson won’t get any trade deals.

The EU is going to play hardball after tonite because they now have the UK by the balls.

DFW

(54,428 posts)
7. Remember, all politics is local
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:15 PM
Dec 2019

This goes for Europe as well.

All Labour had to do was offer up a pleasant candidate who could put forth acceptable, plausible policies in an appealing manner, and they would have walked with this. Sort of a Tony Blair type with a little more backbone and a little less willingness to be led around on a leash by Washington. Instead, they nominated a guy who was what Bernie Sanders would be if he woke up one day and thought he was Archie Bunker.

mia

(8,361 posts)
14. What a funny and thoughtful comment.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:38 PM
Dec 2019

Imaging "The Bernie Bunker Show" just opened up another window into the great beyond of bizarre possibilities that has become the norm, thanks to the election of our apprentice president.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
17. All the warning signs were there and they doubled down
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:07 PM
Dec 2019

Bad frontman who lacked the ability to sell an extremely ambitious platform.

mia

(8,361 posts)
20. I wonder if similarly ambitious platforms be hard to sell here in 2020.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:48 PM
Dec 2019

Wanting to stay optimistic.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
23. My opinion: We're witnessing a nation in its death throes.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 02:58 AM
Dec 2019

As Americans, we should be used to that by now. We've been witnessing our own nation withering on the vine since January 2017.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
25. Corbyn was polling at 41% and his
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 05:27 AM
Dec 2019

unfavorables were sky high. They should have replaced him long before this. When asked why they didn’t like Corbyn , Brexit was far down the list. The British people didn’t like his support for the IRA, his inability to explain how he was going to pay for all his programs and a bunch of other reasons. Ideological purity never wins.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
26. I'm hoping a new leader will bring Labour back!
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 05:30 AM
Dec 2019

But it wont be before a lot of damage is done by the Tories.

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