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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBwahahaha! "Richard Jewell" flips at the box office.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richard-jewell-movie-clint-eastwood-film-flops-box-office-following-controversy-olivia-wilde-kathy-scruggs/CurtEastPoint
(18,654 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)And the Studio probably knew what it was doing when it made that choice.
Takket
(21,592 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)Plenty of chairs available.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)did it justice or not (I've not seen it), but what happened to him was tragic.
Even with Clint Eastwood behind the project, I think it was pretty low budget and as a "docudrama," I doubt many expected it to break any box office records, especially at Christmas time. But, I hope there is enough redeeming about the movie to bring Jewell's story to those who are unaware of what he went through.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)I know the story. I'll save my outrage for real injustice
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)Bringing attention to one does not negate the other's importance nor the need to do likewise.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)I said a TV doc should suffice. And yes, when fighting injustice, you go after the tiger, not the kitten.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)who would adamantly disagree with your assessment of importance, of "proportion" to the issue of false identification-- propelled and amplified by the media, especially on a national level.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)Oh that's right, he wasn't. That's just my point. Tell the story of those POC, they're the ones whose lives are being destroyed.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)takes on a "life of its own." And the serious consequences that can result.
If you don't get that, if you disregard the very demonstrable fact that this HAS resulted in such serious and sometimes even deadly consequences, I don't know what more to say to you. I do find that attitude inexplicable and depressing.
Some just cannot or refuse to see the bigger picture I guess.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)I'm sorry if I see that as a bigger picture.
Tomorrow I'm going to the anti Trump rally. Excuse me for skipping the Free Jewell rally.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)fighting against Trump's horrific detention policies and child separation.
I do not believe that one can fight one injustice while deeming another not worth your consideration when it can and does have equally deadly outcomes. If you believe otherwise-- that only some people, some groups, some issues are worth your attention, then that is not the progressive values that I believe most here would promote.
I get it. You don't give a damn about Jewell. What you SHOULD give a damn about is the issue which his case demonstrates. The issue of the rush to judgment and false accusal by police and media. You say you care about the issue of police violence toward black men. I should hope you would likewise be concerned about their being falsely accused. The issue is not simply what happened to Jewell.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)Acknowledging somebody's pain as a result of the injustice at the hands of the government doesn't take away from other examples of injustice. We can care about both.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)I dont get why we cant be upset about both
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)I don't know what he ended up from the settlements, but one was for $500K back then.
I would go through what Jewell went through for a $200K I think.
The thing we know is that there would have been no outrage if he had been guilty (or black and not guilty) even with the civil rights violation.
In terms of his apartment being searched. That was to be expected. The fake training video on the other hand and keeping his lawyer away was pure gestapo.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)you describe AND it continues to happen to others falsely accused after major shootings or terrorist events, now aided by social media. That is the lesson that needs to be brought forward.
People looked at him and didn't give a damn. He was not a compelling nor charming, nor seemingly sympathetic figure because the public is not very tolerant of those who do not meet the perception of a heroic figure. He was a portly, seemingly poorly educated guy that all too many were willing to brand a "loser," His life really was ruined and while it may not have caused his early death from diabetes and heart disease, it surely could not have helped.
You don't know the half of it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can imagine it quite easily, sadly.
I wont see the movie. I felt sorry for him then, and it still makes me sad to think about it.
rampartc
(5,427 posts)serial bomber eric Rudolph is an evangelical hero.
http://armyofgod.com/EricRudolphHomepage.html
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Yeah, he does have groupies, who wish they had the guts to do what he did.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)What they did to him no doubt contributed to his death at an early age.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Solomon
(12,318 posts)trying to make some kind of point in support of Trump. Because it is Eastwood. A true asshole. I haven't seen it yet but I heard he dissed the hell out of a female journalist in support of whatever mission he thinks he's on. Poetic license and all that.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)by police and media and the Jewell case is a very clear example of that.
I defended the subject matter. I don't defend the movie because I've not seen it.
Iris
(15,662 posts)and misogynist
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)
but that was a big typo. It had a budget of $45 million and it may not even make that much at the box office.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Hes known to do his films quickly and cheaply.
Cartoonist
(7,320 posts)Sure, an injustice was done, but is it worthy of a feature length movie by a noted director? An after school special maybe.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)We know why he made it now. If he wanted to make a movie about the Justice Department screwing up someone's life, then he should have gone with Hatfield (anthrax suspect). Not only did Ashcroft get him fired from the job he had on 9/11, he also got him fired from his Louisiana State position. Of course he got a $5 M judgement from Bush's Justice Department. Of course putting a GOP administration in a bad light might not have agreed with the narrative he was telling.
hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)We've had decades of mass shootings and terrorist attacks where the initial identifications of those involved were likewise false. While I think the MSM has largely learned their lesson, it does continue to happen, propelled by social media.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)and I probably would see the movie without the Scruggs slander. I have no interest of seeing it now. I know the story.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)hlthe2b
(102,317 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Very.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It appears Eastwood spun the truth to make it seem like reporter K. Scruggs fucked an FBI agent to 'get the scoop' ... IOW, 'THE FBI WAS LITERALLY IN BED WITH (some slut in) THE MEDIA TO SMEAR AN INNOCENT MAN!!!'
Feel free to join the folks in the comments on the article, if you like ...
underpants
(182,848 posts)Just saying.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As it's all subjective...
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)The story is compelling because Jewell's rights were violated in the video taped "training" and the press should not release the name of a suspect without a statement by LEO or a charging document, but Eastwood fumbled the ball.
He just had to put in the libel of the reporter sleeping with her source to get the name. An actual person. The FBI agent of course is a composite and cannot be attributed to any particular FBI agent (also she had two sources as well as confirmation that Jewell's apartment was under surveillance.
Not one of her associates on the story thinks she slept with her source for the tip. Not even Jewell's lawyer knows if she did. The authors of both the Vanity Fair article and The Suspect book don't know either.
Eastwood just had to put out the two-dimensional slutty woman as a villain. Way to go hack.
Personally I would have crucified the columnist that equated Jewell to Wayne Williams. I guess since he is a guy he gets a pass.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)I thought it looked like it would've been an interesting film.
live love laugh
(13,123 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)He did it for Trump. I smell more christofascist propaganda trying to prop up newspeak "Fake News" bee ess and give some credence to the Deep State conspiracy theory.
Iris
(15,662 posts)Quixote1818
(28,951 posts)It's a very tragic, sad story that needs to be told and I don't find it the least bit funny that it isn't doing well.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)People seem to be happy simply because they hate Eastwood.
But the film is making an important point.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)It's an important story but I'm not sure if I'm happy with the direction Eastwood took it, especially the bit with the female journalist.
This would have done well in the winter, not at Christmas. Maybe if this had been released in mid January I'd have considered it. Right now my kid is ready to see Star Wars and has promised to take me to Little Women for my birthday. She's also talking about us watching Parasite and Honey Boy during her holiday break from college.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I don't think it's funny. Jewell deserves to have his story told, I was hoping it would be successful.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)underpants
(182,848 posts)Aside from being a downer dark type movie.....large leads don't typically do well.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Gothmog
(145,415 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Unfortunately, from reading what others who have saw it have said, it seems the movie just wanted to bash the media for MAGA reasons.
miyazaki
(2,246 posts)Often this place cracks me up.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Too bad for the perhaps merited elements of the story that it got into Eastwood's hands.
I watched his asinine The Mule. He had a full two minutes of ass and crotch shots of women dancing around in bikinis, supposedly at a Mexican cartel boss's party. It had zero plot relevance and was about as gratuitous as I've seen in a film this side of Bachelor Party.
He's a fucking disgrace.
Polybius
(15,461 posts)I remember he had a Confederate flag on his truck. When he was a suspect, the news camera-person zoomed in on it when he was driving away. Then it came out that someone else did it.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)While the FBI were publicly insisting that Jewell had to be the bad guy (which is why you were sure he was guilty), Rudolph was left alone to plan and perpetrate several more terrorist attacks.
So if the MAGAT's are trying to sell that it was some sort of conspiracy that the FBI was maliciously trying to pin the Atlanta Olympics bombing on Jewel, then what they were doing was providing a patsy for the crimes for right-wing Christian terrorist Eric Rudolph (I insist that every Republican must call him a "Christian" terrorist, since it was so important that we call middle-eastern terrorists "Islamic" terrorists).
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)It appears Eastwood spun the truth to make it seem like reporter K. Scruggs f*cked an FBI agent in order to 'get the scoop' ... IOW, 'THE FBI WAS LITERALLY IN BED WITH (some slut in) THE MEDIA TO SMEAR AN INNOCENT MAN!!!' is a major theme in play here.
Check out the folks in the comments on the article, if you like ... they're a hoot.
RockRaven
(14,978 posts)is a really, really bad feature film premise at the moment given the zeitgeist of this particular point in time which is the exact opposite of those 3 points.
Womp womp to all those involved.
And I don't care if DiCaprio was a producer, he isn't some fucking saint or pope of the left.
RandySF
(59,023 posts)but Eastwood had no right to drag a dead womans name the mud.