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Saviolo

(3,321 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:57 AM Dec 2019

The Big Untold Story of Impeachment? It's Incredibly Popular. - The Atlantic

From The Atlantic article here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-incredibly-popular/603661/

The cynical read on the impeachment of President Donald Trump is that it hasn’t changed anything: Here we are, weeks into the process and on the eve of a House floor vote, and there’s scant movement in public and elite opinion to show for it. Notwithstanding the mountain of new evidence uncovered by the House Intelligence Committee, the battle lines remain the same: Most Democratic House members will vote to impeach the president, while acquittal in the Senate is a foregone conclusion. But maybe the most salient fact about impeachment is how little something else has changed. Impeachment is incredibly popular, especially given the polarized environment.

A Fox News poll released yesterday found that a full 50 percent of Americans support impeaching and removing Trump—one point up from October. The Fox poll has always been one of the worst for the president on impeachment, but FiveThirtyEight’s polling average finds plurality support for removal—47.7 percent for, 46.4 percent against as of this writing—a finding that tracks consistent, slim support. (The site finds even broader support for the impeachment proceedings themselves, at 52.3 to 41.9 percent.) RealClearPolitics’ average, which is noisier, shows a small plurality opposing removal at this moment, though it was the opposite yesterday. The Economist finds clear plurality support for impeachment as well.

It’s worth dwelling on this for a moment: Roughly half the country not only disapproves of Trump’s job as president, but believes he ought to be removed from office, a sanction that has never been applied before. And that support comes at a time of (mostly) peace, with the economy (mostly) strong. There’s more support for impeaching Trump now than there was at the equivalent stage in the Watergate scandal—right after articles of impeachment were approved by the House Judiciary Committee. Rather than face impeachment, Nixon resigned. (Nixon, however, had far lower approval ratings than Trump does now.)

Most Republicans in both chambers have abdicated their responsibility on impeachment. There is a coherent case to be made, as in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, that the president had made serious errors, but that those errors didn’t merit the drastic sanction of impeachment. Some Republicans, especially in the Senate, have said that Trump acted inappropriately but shouldn’t be removed. Many others, like Senator Lindsey Graham, have instead repeatedly moved the goalposts, then thrown up their hands and just defended the president unconditionally.
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The Big Untold Story of Impeachment? It's Incredibly Popular. - The Atlantic (Original Post) Saviolo Dec 2019 OP
we have to contend with Moscow Mitch, Graham, and tv "news" Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #1
Great handle. CentralMass Dec 2019 #2
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Dec 2019 #3
BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP MORE SHAMELESS THAN NIXON, WON'T RESIGN DESPITE WORSE IMPEACHMENT POLLS RockRaven Dec 2019 #4
+1 nt mr_lebowski Dec 2019 #5
Kick dalton99a Dec 2019 #6
His approval rating is actually soaring NewsCenter28 Dec 2019 #7
Trumps approval rating gets a 10 - 20 point kick because republican aligned state media outlets. uponit7771 Dec 2019 #9
Hmmmmm, Media keeps lumping impeachment with removal BEFORE the trial vs just impeachment ... uponit7771 Dec 2019 #8
Big difference in percentages between Ds and Rs, though nilram Dec 2019 #10
I was just mentioning something similar to this tonight. BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #11

RockRaven

(18,634 posts)
4. BREAKING NEWS: TRUMP MORE SHAMELESS THAN NIXON, WON'T RESIGN DESPITE WORSE IMPEACHMENT POLLS
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:24 AM
Dec 2019

Uhhh.... yeah, we know. He's utterly shameless. Like LITERALLY literally shameless. Totally incapable of feeling shame or acting upon that feeling (if by some accident he does feel it) in any way which reflects an acknowledgement of shame.

We've all known. This entire time. Including before he was elected. Including the 63M assholes who voted for him. For a lot of those denizens of Turdistan it was a feature of his candidacy, not a bug. It is part of why they voted for him in the first place.

NewsCenter28

(1,837 posts)
7. His approval rating is actually soaring
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 01:35 AM
Dec 2019

Clinton’s Impeachment rallied the nation behind him for a time also. Check out 538. Well actually don’t unless you want to throw up.

uponit7771

(93,471 posts)
9. Trumps approval rating gets a 10 - 20 point kick because republican aligned state media outlets.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 02:34 AM
Dec 2019

uponit7771

(93,471 posts)
8. Hmmmmm, Media keeps lumping impeachment with removal BEFORE the trial vs just impeachment ...
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 02:33 AM
Dec 2019

... which that's all we have.

The trial should be interesting in regards to the polls, we'll see

nilram

(3,458 posts)
10. Big difference in percentages between Ds and Rs, though
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:00 AM
Dec 2019

And it’s those R senators who need convincing by their constituents.

BigmanPigman

(54,540 posts)
11. I was just mentioning something similar to this tonight.
Tue Dec 17, 2019, 03:00 AM
Dec 2019

I realized it while walking back from the rally yesterday. The majority of people are really, really sick and tired of him and all the shit he brings. People are exhausted with the non-stop lies, tweeting, negative news associated with him, etc. Instead of having "tRump fatigue syndrome" like we hear on the media (like they are just tuning him out and don't care) they are tired of HIM and they do care and want to get back to "normal". Those who wanted "change" now want normalcy again.

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