Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:37 PM

RestoreAmerica2020 (3,308 posts)

Damon Young, [theroot]"I will never forgive white people for Donald Trump"

...I’m reminded, again, of exactly who elected him, exactly why he was elected, exactly who still supports him, and exactly who I hold responsible for this happening. And I’m reminded, again, that I’ll never forgive white people for doing this.

I’m aware that this feeling transmutes white Americans into a collective; distilling a demographic of hundreds of millions down to its least desirable parts. While “not all white people” has become the canonical clichéd reply to this sort of charge, it is also not false. Not all white people voted for Trump. Not all white people support Trump. And sometimes it feels wildly unfair to lump all in with the undesirables. But being fair to white people feels, well, irrational today. It feels dumb to offer a benefit of the doubt while knowing that 54 percent of whites either voted for a racist specifically because he’s racist or didn’t believe racism mattered enough to lose a vote. It feels stupid when realizing that this majority isn’t just the frothing seas of MAGA, but also the white people who seem to be otherwise…decent. A morning shift barista at your favorite neighborhood coffee shop. A co-worker you share silly memes and quiche recipes with.

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Damon Young, [theroot]"I will never forgive white people for Donald Trump" (Original post)	RestoreAmerica2020	Dec 2019	OP
Most (not all) white people I've met in my 74 years of life as a Black Man	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#1
Sometimes we have to begin associating with a better class of people! I've met people of all	abqtommy	Dec 2019	#4
What signifies a "better class of people?"	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#5
I've met people from all ethinic groups who aren't racists. That's the "better class of people"	abqtommy	Dec 2019	#9
I dig what you're saying,	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#10
Well, our realities don't have to be the same. We can still dislike racists and racism.	abqtommy	Dec 2019	#17
And what constitutes "associating"?	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#37
I think we all have choices to make. For me it's important not to limit my associations but to	abqtommy	Dec 2019	#79
Black people don't have the right to choose the race...	Marengo	Dec 2019	#87
I'm sure black people wish they had a choice	MaryMagdaline	Dec 2019	#78
As a 47 year old white man, I agree with you	Johnny2X2X	Dec 2019	#8
perhaps the next election will be a better measure	Skittles	Dec 2019	#45
Hey Johnny, I appreciate your truth-telling. It means a lot.	Anon-C	Dec 2019	#81
We live in a white supremacy. We're all soaking in it and if we don't unlearn it, we reinforce it.	WhiskeyGrinder	Dec 2019	#13
Oh boy, statements like that will earn you quite the fan club around here.	Marengo	Dec 2019	#18
Never once signed up to win a popularity contest . . .	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#24
Good on you.	tazkcmo	Dec 2019	#41
AMEN	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#53
Yes, well, Damon Young just outed himself.	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#36
And 54% seems low since we know 65% of white males and 53%...	brush	Dec 2019	#51
As a 62 SWM, I would agree with that.	MicaelS	Dec 2019	#106
well, that's helpful. How about we just focus on ending this travesty for EVERYONE's sake...?	hlthe2b	Dec 2019	#2
Neither will I and I'm white.	onecaliberal	Dec 2019	#3
Me too.	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#7
Exactly what I said down thread	wryter2000	Dec 2019	#59
Me, too. Started cutting white people out of my life.	MaryMagdaline	Dec 2019	#80
I haven't had to do that	wryter2000	Dec 2019	#89
Same with me - Pittsburgh is very blue; most of Allegheny County is blue	FakeNoose	Dec 2019	#108
You're so right	wryter2000	Dec 2019	#109
I remember the moment that it became clear that Trump was going to become president.	Blue_true	Dec 2019	#70
I knew it would be horrendous and it's been exponentially worse.	onecaliberal	Dec 2019	#71
I'm like you	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#82
I guess I was naive to think there were patriots on the right that would step in	onecaliberal	Dec 2019	#83
That's where I misjudged this	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#84
Easy solution. Drown then out at the voting booth with non-white voters ala 2008 & 2012	ffr	Dec 2019	#6
+1000	hlthe2b	Dec 2019	#11
I'll cop to unearned privilege, I'll cop to ignorance of the black experience, but no. I had	Squinch	Dec 2019	#12
Yup	TheRealNorth	Dec 2019	#15
Yes, this	Baked Potato	Dec 2019	#30
And Russia is still doing it	Cetacea	Dec 2019	#58
This is from The Root	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#62
Part of their success on social media	TheRealNorth	Dec 2019	#86
Yes, this	Brawndo	Dec 2019	#90
Exactly.	DavidDvorkin	Dec 2019	#21
Nice distraction of a post	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#14
Distraction or inconvenient truth?	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#23
Distraction.	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#34
Sometimes inconvenient truths are seen as distractions by people not comfortable with them	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#39
But more often	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#47
People often have opinions and feelings that wouldn't make it into the Democratic platform.	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#49
Maybe you should think through what a statement like that actually means for the party	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#54
I sincerely doubt a comment made by someone on DU is going to have much impact on the election	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#60
As is yours	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#65
But you didn't say you had a contrary opinion. You told him he shouldn't express his opinion at all	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#68
Will this affect your voting in the upcoming election?	Caliman73	Dec 2019	#63
Why did Putin and his troll army push these messages in 2016?	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#66
The thing is don't give Russia any material	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#67
Maybe he thought White people were defensive and would be offended?	Caliman73	Dec 2019	#85
Yes, It is	whathehell	Dec 2019	#35
Yeah. This is the form of the racial discussion Putin wants us to have. nt	coti	Dec 2019	#52
I don't see how this is helpful	DrToast	Dec 2019	#16
It's not helpful	whathehell	Dec 2019	#31
Not all Trump supporters are racists, but...	TruckFump	Dec 2019	#19
Nope. All trump supporters ARE racists. Voting for trump was a racist act. They knew what	Squinch	Dec 2019	#25
What about the 8 Million who voted for Obama and then for Trump?	whathehell	Dec 2019	#91
Kay. Did you think they didn't know Trump was a racist when they voted for him?	Squinch	Dec 2019	#92
Maybe you could try to answer my question first..	whathehell	Dec 2019	#95
But I did answer the question. Whether they voted for Obama or not, they subsequently went on	Squinch	Dec 2019	#97
No, I'm sorry, I don't believe those 8 million voters suddenly turned "racist"	whathehell	Dec 2019	#98
OK. You don't believe people who performed a blatantly racist act are racists.	Squinch	Dec 2019	#99
Okay, and you believe the 13 % percent of black men & 38% of Hispanics	whathehell	Dec 2019	#100
Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that the women who voted for trump are not sexist?	Squinch	Dec 2019	#102
I have no idea..	whathehell	Dec 2019	#107
Just because you voted for a black man doesn't mean you're not racist.	Drunken Irishman	Dec 2019	#101
No, I don't believe racists would vote for the first Black President	whathehell	Dec 2019	#105
Why not?	Drunken Irishman	Dec 2019	#120
"Why not"?	whathehell	Dec 2019	#123
I was reading The Forgotten about an Obama-Trump county Lucerne	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#111
One excerpt from one book about one county..	whathehell	Dec 2019	#114
Unfortunately I read more than one except	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#115
Unfortunately, you listed only one excerpt from one book	whathehell	Dec 2019	#116
I told you I had to put it down because a lot of their reasons were racist reasons	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#117
Then find another book or report covering more than	whathehell	Dec 2019	#118
I bought the book because unlike a lot of reporters	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#119
Again, you don't seem to be getting it -- I'm not criticizing the study itself	whathehell	Dec 2019	#124
A study showed that yes, that was basically about race and immigration	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2019	#121
Voting for Obama was "basically about race and immigration"?	whathehell	Dec 2019	#122
Fine, you don't buy it, but it's what the analysis showed.	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2019	#125
It's what ONE analysis showed..	whathehell	Dec 2019	#126
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2019	#20
AMEN	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#22
What was the content of that post you wholeheartedly endorsed?	Marengo	Dec 2019	#75
Makes two of us	mahina	Dec 2019	#26
Not to disparage the point made...	Newest Reality	Dec 2019	#27
Ahh, the generalizations...	Baked Potato	Dec 2019	#28
Trump is the pinnacle of whiteness as a power structure	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#29
The hell he is...	whathehell	Dec 2019	#32
Sure he is	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#33
Nah	whathehell	Dec 2019	#38
Colonialism?	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#42
Nope.	whathehell	Dec 2019	#46
he is in many ways the epitome of white power.	unblock	Dec 2019	#40
I agree.	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#43
Sorry, I don't agree. Virtually all of his power is based	whathehell	Dec 2019	#44
Tell me with a straight face	Nature Man	Dec 2019	#48
Or Bob Johnson	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#50
Not a nano second, but neither would Bill Clinton	whathehell	Dec 2019	#61
Clinton got away with far more than Obama could have gotten away with	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#64
He ticks all the boxes. Rich is certainly one of them	unblock	Dec 2019	#69
I do not forgive the white people that voted and or support that man.	Afromania	Dec 2019	#55
I agree with this wholeheartedly- the people who voted for him. In fact, I say it to myself	coti	Dec 2019	#57
I'm not going to forgive them, either	wryter2000	Dec 2019	#56
There's a massive voter purge going on in Wisconsin...	SMC22307	Dec 2019	#72
Posting on DU isn't any more activism than Twitter & social media since those are more popular	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#73
The sooner white people are a minority in this country the better it will be for all people	jcmaine72	Dec 2019	#74
...	SMC22307	Dec 2019	#112
Your forgiveness is not required, Mr Young. Nor is it sought.	Bok_Tukalo	Dec 2019	#76
excuuuuuse me??? Im white and i would NEVER vote for trump or any repug ever.....	samnsara	Dec 2019	#77
At least two of my black neighbors support the shitstain.	cwydro	Dec 2019	#88
13 % percent of Black men voted for Trump, us many in	whathehell	Dec 2019	#93
I know, and that bothers me.	cwydro	Dec 2019	#94
Who knows?	whathehell	Dec 2019	#96
I agree with you.	cwydro	Dec 2019	#104
Gotta love the rubles	XRubicon	Dec 2019	#103
The problem was white evangelicals. White non-evangelicals favoured Clinton (just)	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2019	#110
That's why there was a whiff of panic in Fat Nixon's tweet...	SMC22307	Dec 2019	#113
I find this type article divisive and useless.	YOHABLO	Dec 2019	#127
I hear you.	Joinfortmill	Dec 2019	#128

Response to RestoreAmerica2020 (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:39 PM

Nature Man (869 posts)

1. Most (not all) white people I've met in my 74 years of life as a Black Man

have been racists.

Damon Young, [theroot]"I will never forgive white people for Donald Trump"

1. Most (not all) white people I've met in my 74 years of life as a Black Man

4. Sometimes we have to begin associating with a better class of people! I've met people of all

5. What signifies a "better class of people?"

9. I've met people from all ethinic groups who aren't racists. That's the "better class of people"

10. I dig what you're saying,

17. Well, our realities don't have to be the same. We can still dislike racists and racism.

37. And what constitutes "associating"?

79. I think we all have choices to make. For me it's important not to limit my associations but to

87. Black people don't have the right to choose the race...

78. I'm sure black people wish they had a choice

8. As a 47 year old white man, I agree with you

45. perhaps the next election will be a better measure

81. Hey Johnny, I appreciate your truth-telling. It means a lot.

13. We live in a white supremacy. We're all soaking in it and if we don't unlearn it, we reinforce it.

18. Oh boy, statements like that will earn you quite the fan club around here.

24. Never once signed up to win a popularity contest . . .

41. Good on you.

53. AMEN

36. Yes, well, Damon Young just outed himself.

51. And 54% seems low since we know 65% of white males and 53%...

106. As a 62 SWM, I would agree with that.

2. well, that's helpful. How about we just focus on ending this travesty for EVERYONE's sake...?

3. Neither will I and I'm white.

7. Me too.

59. Exactly what I said down thread

80. Me, too. Started cutting white people out of my life.

89. I haven't had to do that

108. Same with me - Pittsburgh is very blue; most of Allegheny County is blue

109. You're so right

70. I remember the moment that it became clear that Trump was going to become president.

71. I knew it would be horrendous and it's been exponentially worse.

82. I'm like you

83. I guess I was naive to think there were patriots on the right that would step in

84. That's where I misjudged this

6. Easy solution. Drown then out at the voting booth with non-white voters ala 2008 & 2012

11. +1000

12. I'll cop to unearned privilege, I'll cop to ignorance of the black experience, but no. I had

15. Yup

30. Yes, this

58. And Russia is still doing it

62. This is from The Root

86. Part of their success on social media

90. Yes, this

21. Exactly.

14. Nice distraction of a post

23. Distraction or inconvenient truth?

34. Distraction.

39. Sometimes inconvenient truths are seen as distractions by people not comfortable with them

47. But more often

49. People often have opinions and feelings that wouldn't make it into the Democratic platform.

54. Maybe you should think through what a statement like that actually means for the party

60. I sincerely doubt a comment made by someone on DU is going to have much impact on the election

65. As is yours

68. But you didn't say you had a contrary opinion. You told him he shouldn't express his opinion at all

63. Will this affect your voting in the upcoming election?

66. Why did Putin and his troll army push these messages in 2016?

67. The thing is don't give Russia any material

85. Maybe he thought White people were defensive and would be offended?

35. Yes, It is

52. Yeah. This is the form of the racial discussion Putin wants us to have. nt

16. I don't see how this is helpful

31. It's not helpful

19. Not all Trump supporters are racists, but...

25. Nope. All trump supporters ARE racists. Voting for trump was a racist act. They knew what

91. What about the 8 Million who voted for Obama and then for Trump?

92. Kay. Did you think they didn't know Trump was a racist when they voted for him?

95. Maybe you could try to answer my question first..

97. But I did answer the question. Whether they voted for Obama or not, they subsequently went on

98. No, I'm sorry, I don't believe those 8 million voters suddenly turned "racist"

99. OK. You don't believe people who performed a blatantly racist act are racists.

100. Okay, and you believe the 13 % percent of black men & 38% of Hispanics

102. Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that the women who voted for trump are not sexist?

107. I have no idea..

101. Just because you voted for a black man doesn't mean you're not racist.

105. No, I don't believe racists would vote for the first Black President

120. Why not?

123. "Why not"?

111. I was reading The Forgotten about an Obama-Trump county Lucerne

114. One excerpt from one book about one county..