How to stop the Russian/GOP talking point about '16

[Botany]

Trump and the GOP keep saying that the reason he won and Hillary lost is because that he, Trump, went back to states such as Wisconsin and Hillary didn't and that is why he "won."

That is false and easily proven. Now Russ Feingold was at >90% chance of winning and he sure didn't leave the state to work someplace else and yet he still lost.

The reason Trump won was massive Russian interference and inside help from the GOP and members of the Trump Campaign such as Brad Prascale who told the Russians where they needed to work.

[uponit7771]

1. THIS !!! Trumps "base" didn't win him shit ! ✨Trump did worse than rMoney✨ nationally and did bad...

... even in the states HRC didn't "visit" it was the Russian backed 3rd party candidates that abnormally over performed in the 5 states HRC was projected to win by 2 - 3% before the election.

INCLUDING THE STATE RUSS FIENGOLD WAS IN !!!

That's ANOTHER way the Russians dangibly made a difference in this election, the other is the Russians changed news coverage with their hacked leaks.

No need to conclude on anything, just take what's in public news and we can see how Russians TANGIBLY changed the 2016 election.

[Botany]

2. Russia was into Wisconsin @ the county level in 2016

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

[uponit7771]

12. WOW !!! Of course they can't find any changes because there was no audit or change logging specified

... for our election systems !!

Like saying we can't find proof that the bank money was stolen and then finding out later they never knew how much money was in the bank.

[Botany]

15. Are we supposed to believe that Putin spent millions and millions on getting inside America's ...

... election networks such as hacking voter rolls, providing massive disinformation, and trying
to get into the ERD voting machines and central tabulator's hardware and software for their
operating systems but didn't do anything instead he was "just looking around."

200,000 were removed from voting rolls in Wisconsin prior to the 2016 election and almost all
of those voters were from Dane (liberal, students, & educated) County and Milwaukee (black)
County. Trump "won" the state by 21,000 votes.

[uponit7771]

16. +1, the more rational thought is to conclude something was changed

[Botany]

17. The Russians drank to Trump's "victory"

[uponit7771]

18. What gets me ...

... is Republicans think s*** will be the same after Trump is gone.

it won't ... we have no operational security anywhere most likely the Russians have planet crap in every single defense system in America.

I think it's best if Congress starts threatening now to not certify Trump's cheated victory in 2020.

We don't have a choice there's no way Trump is not going to cheat to win again.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. In July 2016 message boards filled with peoples poor Englizh skill

At a top 10 major city news site, I encountered one who defended Melania's speech by saying repeatedly it wasn't stolen from Michelle Obama, it was Michelle Obama who stole it from a book when she gave the speech in 2009.

Several replies doubted this assertion because there is NO WAY it would have gone undetected for 7 years. Period.

I also received several phishing foreign language Englizh emails in the weeks before the election, and my email addy's for business, politics, etc are INVISIBLE. No one knows them, yet Russian spam found its way to my box.

And my PO Box got an NRA HRC is coming to take your guns 5 days before election day. I guess they rent lists, but still, I have no visibility.

Suspicious to me.

[Botany]

4. So Michelle Obama gave her speech @ the 2008 DNC in 2009? Nice to know.

Never doubt that the Trump Campaign/GOP worked with the Russians in 2016.

https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

BTW we have yet to see the Mueller Report.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. We know Barr's reasons for not releasing it

but it may also still be part of the case against Wikileaks that will tie it all together some day when Trump is out of office, so there could be prudent reasons why it's not been released.

[bucolic_frolic]

20. A sample of Russian English to help separate it from the rest

Just arrived in my mailbox

I am an interesting and not boring girl, from the very childhood I have been active and cheerful. You can not get bored with me. When I get into the company, I always behave myself and bring zest to the company. In the house, I am calm, balanced and I bring comfort. I also behave with dignity in guests. I want to know the world and be happy!

[mountain grammy]

5. Wisconsin was rigged

Like Michigan and Pennsylvania..

[Botany]

8. And North Carolina, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, and Arizona too

The exit polls had HRC winning those states. I have my doubts about Ohio too.

And never forget that 16 million democratic voters were removed prior to the 2016 election.*


* https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/almost-16-million-voters-were-removed-from-the-rolls-we-should-be-alarmed/2019/05/15/f3de396a-7682-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html

HRC didn't just win but she won by a landslide.

[bucolic_frolic]

9. I would focus on the small town demographic populations

That's where Trump went in PA. You said to yourself, WHAT is this guy doing in Central PA small towns? It makes big news in these places when a billionaire comes to town. Perhaps there was "walking around money" as they called in some campaigns - cash for motivation to poster, canvas, etc etc. Or perhaps an extended network of ultra conservative groups, which incredibly have quite a presence in small town, uneducated, ethnic communities. These guys can't spell politics but they listen to their network.

They pulled all the stops they could imagine, and Russian mind control was part of that, or the final piece of the puzzle. IMO

[mountain grammy]

10. Yes, he is popular in rural areas

But that’s not where most of the voters live. The 2016 election was a fraud. I’ll never believe anything else.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. The margins were so slim and so targeted to specific rural counties, it

almost makes me think they had these totals figured out before election day, or they were adjusted to fit the parts of the puzzle they didn't control. If someone uncovered a piece of information that supported something like that it would make hot news.

And yes I agree, total fraud in that election. They were so insistent they would win, Trump kept calling it crooked and rigged beforehand, and he ought to know!

[uponit7771]

13. +1, vote ADDING is easier than shaving if they have the voter registration rolls which don't have

... to be changed and there would be no log of copying if their were macros run for screen copies.

There are a thousand ways to skin the cat of steeling the election that the media wants to downplay IMHO

[spanone]

6. K&R...

[ancianita]

7. An example from the Mueller Report of Russian influenced ad messaging.

[Sogo]

14. Scott Walker was WI Governor at the time.

I'm sure he was involved in rigging WI.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

19. In this day and age too

Why would her actual physical presence in the state made any huge difference, esp. when it's a state that has voted reliably blue for so many years, esp. Michigan and Pennsylvania? She only lost by a handful of votes in those states, which could probably have been made up if the vote hadn't been split into fourths.