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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA rare serious post from me...about profanity.
In real life as well as online. I interact (as you undoubtedly do also), with people of many different colors, ages, religions, sizes, shapes, intellectual levels, etc.
People who are clean, dirty, rich, poor, smart, dumb, idiots, not idiots, abrasive, calm.
Each person was brought to their station in life by whatever their past consisted of. There are no two people who are alike.
Some people swear profusely. Some people don't swear at all. Some people cannot communicate without swearing. It's like when you know a person who talks with their hands in conjunction with their speech. If you hold their hands down by their sides, they may have difficulty communicating.
I swear. Sometimes I swear profusely. Sometimes, I do not swear at all. Sometimes I use unique swear words (oopsie-fucking-daisy). I'll usually try to judge my audience when I choose the way I speak. For example, I wouldn't say "motherfucker" when talking to some sweet old lady who I just met. But that's me, that's how I talk. That's nothing to to with anyone else, that's just me.
The following is also me...I try not to judge people for the way the speak or write, for the simple reason of "they are individuals, and that's the way they talk". If someone chooses to incorporate the word "fuck" as the middle syllable in every word they say to me, I'm not going to melt. Conversely, if I am speaking to someone who doesn't swear at all, I will most likely limit or eliminate my swearing in the conversation.
DU is a large collection of people. Historically, a large portion of DUers swear. To tell someone that you do not like that they swear is akin to telling someone that you do not like their laugh, or that their laugh sounds ridiculous. And you know what that could mean...they might never laugh again. You may make someone afraid to laugh again.
Telling someone to "watch your mouth", or "do you kiss your mom with that mouth" or "can't you talk without swearing" is to criticize the very way they talk. We have no idea what life circumstances cause people to talk the way they do. If you tell a rabid swearer not to swear, they may not swear in front of you the next time, but they also will not communicate as well with you either. They may not be able to get their point across as well.
It's not up to me to judge anyone in this manner. It's not up to me to judge their grammar, or their education level, or their social status. People communicate with each other in the manner that they feel gets their point across. I'm not saying that I love when people go overboard with their cursing, but it is not up to me to say anything to them about it. It's like telling someone "hey, do me a favor, go back the last 50 years and change every variable in your life that has caused you to curse while talking to me today". Why would it be my place to do that? Why would I want to possibly stifle someone's words? To what end?
Understand what I'm saying, fuckers?
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...
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FUCK FUCKITY FUCKER FUCKFACE!
It's like a disorder with me.
LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)To each their own, live and let live and all that jazz...but there is nothing anyone can type (short of 'Donald Trump is a genius.') that is going to offend me at my core.
I support anyone's right to swear, not swear or anywhere in bwteeen!
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)The world is burning and here we are talking about profanity....
Sometimes the shit I read on these god damned forums is enough to make me shout fuck shit damn!
Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)generously.
Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,441 posts)I'll never publish it though. I appreciate your kind words.
yonder
(9,666 posts)on edit: added little feller with the hat.
robbob
(3,531 posts)IcyPeas
(21,884 posts)you have got to be shittin' me.
anyway... growing up we weren't even allowed to say "shut-up". that was considered a bad word.
LuckyCharms
(17,441 posts)piece. Each chapter is a short to not so short story of different life events.
It not a big creative fiction novel, but I think some might find it worth a read. I'm only showing it to a few people since it's so personal.
I mainly wrote it to see if I could write something that was readable and interesting.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Never really thought about it ever. They say it's taking Jesus's name in vain!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,441 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)RICHARD STEPHENS, THE CONVERSATION2 FEB 2017
The use of obscene or taboo language - or swearing, as its more commonly known - is often seen as a sign that the speaker lacks vocabulary, cannot express themselves in a less offensive way, or even lacks intelligence.
Studies have shown, however, that swearing may in fact display a more, rather than less, intelligent use of language.
[snippage]
People with greater language skills can generally think of more examples in the allotted time. Based on this approach, the researchers created the swearing fluency task. This task requires volunteers to list as many different swear words as they can think of in 1 minute.
more at link
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Lochloosa
(16,065 posts)The used to drop the word "fuck" in front of there mother and it drove me insane.
I've been able to stop most of it and now let it go if it happens.
I would have NEVER cussed in front of my Mother. I think she heard one curse word come out of my mouth over 50 years.
It just a sign of respect.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)paleotn
(17,920 posts)Respect, I suppose as I was raised in the south. Ironic because I learned more interesting and useful curse words from dad than from anyone else. Kids at school were light weights compared to my old man. Like the dad in A Christmas Story, I know of several tapestries of obscenity's still hanging in space over the hills of Tennessee. "probably from his father" nearly made me roll on the floor the first time I hear it and still makes me chuckle. He was also well known for his vocabulary.
Mom, on the other hand.....whole different story.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I cuss a lot. I was raised by and was a caregiver for a military veteran who used to string together cuss words I could not believe, any time she saw any Republican on TV. When we went to the VA, she would cuss as we went by every single picture of Bush (Shrub) and then later, Trump. I used to be afraid we'd be killed for it, but people loved her. So, she could do it. I spent 49 years learning from the best. Fuck, yeah. I get exactly what you are saying.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)one's tendencies toward colorful speech. You probably wouldn't want to drop F-bombs while having tea with the Queen, for example. She might find it amusing, or not, and you wouldn't be sent to the Tower if you did it, but shit, man, it's the Queen! You probably shouldn't cuss at most job interviews, or during your first encounter with your fiancee's parents, or during an audience with the Pope - at least if you want to make a positive impression. But if I were ever to meet Trump, which I pray I never do, I might be tempted to loosen my tongue a bit, because I do not want to make a good impression on that fat orange animate stool sample. I want him to feel my wrath and loathing. But I probably wouldn't do it anyhow, because I am not much of a potty-mouth in person; most of my cussing is done in writing on DU. About the only time I yell "FUCK!!!" is when I'm home by myself and faceplant on the floor on account of tripping over the vacuum cleaner hose, or when a garbage bag full of used cat litter splits open and spews cat shit all over the kitchen floor.
To each his own, though.
LuckyCharms
(17,441 posts)Interviewer: What do you consider to be your greatest weakness?
Interviewee: I'm too honest.
Interviewer: I don't think that's a weakness.
Interviewee: I don't give a fuck what you think.
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)Forewarn people who might be drinking their morning coffee, LC.......
dhill926
(16,339 posts)davsand
(13,421 posts)The lyrics:
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do
There ain't nothing I can do or nothing I can say
That folks don't criticize me
But I'm goin' to do just as I want to anyway
And don't care if they all despise me
If I should take a notion
To jump into the ocean
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do, do, do, do
If I go to church on Sunday
Then just sing the shimmy down on Monday
Ain't nobody's bizness if I do, if I do
If my friend ain't got no money
And I say, "take all mine, honey"
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do, do, do, do
If I give him my last nickel
And it leaves me in a pickle
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do, if I do
I'd rather my man would hit me
Than to jump up right and quit me
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do, do, do, do
I swear I won't call no copper
If I'm beat up by my poppa
If I'm beat up by my poppa
'T ain't nobody's bizness if I do, if I do
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)If you want to keep something private, don't post publicly.
If you lay it out in public, expect feedback.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Swear if you want. Who gives a shit?
Stinky The Clown
(67,807 posts)I agree with every word.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)My daughter and I speak the same language as you do, fucker! I have no time anymore for the "watch your mouther's", ALTHOUGH, I have recently asked my one daughter who swears as much as I do to keep the F-bombs to a minimum in stores. She can barely talk with that restriction on her and usually, within seconds, says "fuck it, I don't care what anyone thinks."
Neither one of us is uneducated, abused, poor, or whatever other moral failings are attached to swearing. My dad was the same way, so I actually think it's genetic.
The only thing I can't tolerate is some dumb fuck-head who has no god-damned idea how to string together swearwords properly. It's uncomfortable and really fucking embarrassing.
Vogon_Glory
(9,118 posts)I try to be sparing with my use of on-line obscenities, mainly due to my unhappy experiences on another forum where right-wing lying and libel was rampant but if you used one naughty word, your post got deleted. (The liars' and libelers' posts remained untouched).
I rarely use obscenities here. Most of the time they're not needed. If I use them, I try to be sparing and for effect.
Your pardon for my affront to your eyeballs, but I do not apologize for my use of "Dumbf*ckistan" as a term for the end result of what the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, his party, and his d__n-fool lackeys and followers are trying to do to the American republic.
Buckeyeblue
(5,499 posts)But we've always told them that you have to understand your audience and your setting.
We've never received a call from the school or another parent to complain about our kids cussing. Sometimes the grandparents are a different story...
dchill
(38,502 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Please don't wear them out. Expletives are very useful in context, damn it. What do you say when you hit your thumb square on with a hammer? There are words for that and they those words can be psychologically cathartic. They have a contextual value.
Overdoing it wears out the effect Moderation?
There is no such thing as a "bad" word unless you utilize some sort of class-based metaphysics to try to contradict that. Words are words are words, etc. Now, on the other hand, the one utilizing the words and their intent may be at issue.
It is good to see threads like that so we can consider explore the implications of censorship and how it can even court oppression and control by way of assumptions about what kind of words are considered "acceptable" and who is to decide that and for what reason.
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)robbob
(3,531 posts)In fact, its fucking great!
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I can say anything I want to in front of my friends and no one cares. Anyone who takes offense at the language here should probably stick to the more benign websites.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)As someone who grew up with parents and some grandparents who talked like truck drivers it is a part of me. I'm educated, a professional, etc. and can harness my colorful language. But at the bar? Forget it lol.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)Do you blow your father with that mouth?
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)That's a pretty fuckin' serious insult.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)There's a lot to process there.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)November 2016.
A lot more.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is when people use the word "balls" to signify bravery. Why are balls - a male term - the symbol for bravey?
Why not use Guts, Spine or Backbone instead since they apply to everybody?
to be honest, I don't notice most of the language here on DU - I don't swear very often on here or IRL, but just don't notice it much on DU.
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)My wife once did a rather gutsy thing and I presented her with a necklace of two, one inch brass nipples, she laughed her ass off.......(a nipple in plumbing jargon is any short piece of pipe, threaded on both ends)
She still has them hanging on her office wall......a great conversation item when her clients ask about what they are !!
eppur_se_muova
(36,263 posts)So, who did say it? Partial credit goes to New York standup comedian Sheng Wang, who delivered a lengthier version of the joke on the 28 January 2011 episode of Comedy Central Presents:
And it appears that Wangs routine borrowed heavily from a bit by comedian Hal Sparks, Pussy Is Tougher, which aired on Showtime in 2010.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betty-white-grow-some-balls/
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)it's still great to the quote associated with her.
MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)JuJuYoshida
(2,215 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Variation: Fuckin' aye Jackson, or F.A. Jackson!
Leith
(7,809 posts)AFAIC, people can use whatever word they please to get their point across.
What gets me, though, are the people who get upset if they see a word they consider a sexist insult - and demand that the word be changed, no matter the context. For example, Bill Maher has a well known phrase he uses for tRump - and it seems to upset some people more than whatever hair furor did to earn it. Get some perspective!
To get some humor on the topic, go to YouTube and put "parrot swearing" in the search engine. Don't do it if you're a delicate flower.
I have been spanked by DU for using words humorously that describe a situation perfectly.
Years ago, Chris Rock did a skit about how he uses the N word all the time
And whomever complained about my use of a certain word obviously never read anything posted here by my hero ferret....
Several of my best lesbian friends told me that they werent offended by the word I used and in fact, told me that they used that word often themselves to describe some of their lesbian friends !!!
Any one who is complaining about language should listen to the locker room banter in a jr. high school group of girls who play soccer or better yet hockey........
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Context is important. Swearing is appropriate in some settings and in some it is not. A political message board where people are used to expressing their ideas and feelings without filter, then let it out. I teach high school kids, however, and almost daily find myself reminding them to clean up their language for using words that I use daily outside of work. Its not hypocritical because the setting matters. Its inappropriate in a classroom setting just as in many many professional settings to use certain language.
Initech
(100,079 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)I have learned from experience that I am unlikely to learn anything new or useful. People vent and often post without wanting to consider readers or don't even care whether their posts are read.
Life is short so I save my clicks for posts most likely to inform.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)During our Presidents and our residents term.
As Bettie just stated, I am also sure we are swearing more under the orange ass.
It's vent or explode.
packman
(16,296 posts)When in college, a long-long time ago, there was a student we would sit around and listen to him bitch and swear. This guy was the Michelangelo of the cussword and hyperbole in cursing. He was creative and would put power, context and beauty into his swearing. God, he had us rolling on the floor (then again we were half-drunk with Thunderbird and cheap local beer-Rolling Rock - cheap at the time, not so much now)
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Now, I had heard that word at least ten times a day from my old man. He worked in profanity the way other artists might work in oils or clay. It was his true medium; a master.
In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan.
---from A Christmas Story
Swearing is a tool. Some are skilled with it, many not.
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)2) Profanity is almost always distracting and interferes with the message.
2a) It is often used for shock value, except that is not really shocking these days. It is not the 70s. Nowadays it mostly just adds another layer of cruddy verbiage that has to be worked through.
2b) It is often completely unnecessary. When used in small doses for emphasis it can be effectively, but so often it is just randomly interjected. That is thoughtless, sloppy, lazy, not thinking things through, not editing for conciseness or expressiveness. Even so, I have used it a few times on DU for pointed emphasis.
2c) Writers can and need to find more expressive ways that are more germaine and more to the point of the message.
1) When presented with a metaphor like "Pelosi really knows how to move shit" I'm likely to think of a shovel and shit and then have to purge the image to get back to trying to understanding what the writer is really trying to say.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Having a quiet day in a pub, and some jerk plays EXPLICIT lyrics Rap!
There is a time and a place and the day shift at the bar isn't it.
I'm no saint, but that's bullshit!
Arthur_Frain
(1,850 posts)But I get the other side too. The recent post I mean. Im not wish washy, I just feel strongly both ways.
Be fair enough to wonder how you are perceived when you are profane. I say this because.....
I was 11? 12? Doesnt matter. Dad took me fishing, it was an epic day, the fish were biting, the weather was great, we hiked to get there, dad was really happy. These two men wandered by and we stopped and ate lunch while the adults had a conversation I still remember. Every other word out of these guys mouths was goddamn. Not kidding, it was a required descriptive for every noun. This GD idiot left the GD bait in the GD car this GD morning, and GD I had to GD walk all the GD way back...... Well, you get the idea. All lunch long.
I was young enough that I actually edged away a little bit, expecting that the lightning would have to be headed somewhere near here pretty quickly. But of course nothing happened. Nor do I believe my dad ever remarked on the incident, but for me, it was a profound experience, because it drove home one thing very clearly. Especially after the first goddamn 15 minutes. These men sounded uneducated. They swore to try to be dynamic, to try and make their stories more interesting, but instead, it was just tedious to listen to them. Big word for an 11 year old? Guilty. I was the typical precocious kid.
Now I do swear. But I swear less than I probably would, because this is always at the back of my mind, this conversation from my youth. And as a result, I routinely go through bouts where I swear off (see what I did there?) profanity. Works for a while. We live in a profane age, I have too many really profane friends, one of whom simply wouldnt understand if I didnt wish him happy fucking birthday you fuckity fuck fuck, and it would seem to be obvious that eliminating censorship is progress and a good thing. Ill leave that one there for now, thats a whole other OP in itself.
No, it isnt up to me to judge anyone in this manner either. Was I judging as an 11 year old when I grasped that these men were trying to achieve? Was it a judgement that they failed? Because they did fail, they sounded, in retrospect, like rubes who had no other words to use. Did my dad had he decided to do so, have any right to ask these two men hey, would you mind your language? Theres a child present. Or did his right extend only to removing me from where profanity was being spewed?
Sorry, this got way too lengthy, and I should probably just delete, but now that Im here....
Used to be there were polite rules for public discourse. (This is a public board. There very well could be women and children behind all of these avatars.) Whether for sex or cultural or religious considerations initially, it isnt terribly important why, but I know that in the 70s, if you were in a mixed sex group of people in any public place, profanity was unacceptable. Frowned upon if not actual shunning of the practitioner involved. Somewhere over the decline of western civilization in the last 25-35 years, we have redefined polite, public, and mixed sex, and in the push to eliminate tradition we make the claim that anything should be acceptable in public. Guilty of hyperbole, okay, but Ive watched the push-pull of the traditionalists/progressives for 50 years now, and profanity is one of the platforms that struggle plays out on. What should and should not be permissible in public is another ball breaker.
So as I said, be fair enough to at least consider how you will be perceived when you choose to be profane, especially over the top profanity. And if somebody has to ask you to tone it down? Well, Im not judging, but Ill bet that if you took a moment to reasonably look around and ask yourself do I really need to tone it down? you probably would most of the time that somebody had to ask you.
Church-lady types who think they get to be arbiters of existence being the exception. They deserve what they get.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)That was an excellent contribution to the discussion. I really appreciated what you had to say and thought the story from your childhood was illuminating. I thought you should know that.
Arthur_Frain
(1,850 posts)nt
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)sharing. Like someone earlier posted we DU'ers are very candid with each other.
Welcome to DU too!
lambchopp59
(2,809 posts)There was a patient's visitor, in a clinical area divided only by curtains. This man was speaking loudly into his cell phone, dealing with some sort of client situation, obviously having to do with his profession. It was interrupting interactions with this patient next door only minimally, but his language was peppered with "F bombs" continually. He may have been unaware there were 2 well behaved young children with the patient next door who couldn't help overhearing this.
I stopped questioning the patient to step next door and ask politely for this man to temper his language. It was other family with him admonished him to do so.
Yet, before he completed his conversation, yet another "F bomb" dropped, with the other family members quickly shushing and subsequently escorting the habitual potty mouth out.
That high road anecdote told, I'll add:
Will someone please slip some Valium into Donald Trump's orange juice before he gets our asses FUCKING NUKED?
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts).... at the high end of the swear scale.
Here is why, because it keeps me from writing something that might prompt a knock on my front door.
We have all watched a TV drama where someone is being interviewed by authorities because in the heat of the moment the individual said: "I'm going to kill you"! And now that person is dead.
We know we live in a time where you can't say "bomb" at any time in relation to flying.
We never have been able to threaten a president with violence without triggering a possible visit from the FBI or the U.S. Secret Service.
So you will find me swearing quite often when referring to 45 and his cabal.
Sorry, we live in sad fucking times with this a$$h*le in the WH. Have a nice day!
JohnnyRingo
(18,635 posts)It got me in the front row for Lisa Lampanelli's show tomorrow night. Maybe it'll come up.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)The interior language of my marriage is full of swearing. We were both poor and uneducated and swearing was a big part of how we knew to express ourselves. I got an education. I no longer have to swear to express myself.
He got multiple sclerosis and has been a stay at home husband for years. Our marriage works, and works, and works well. Its not that his vocabulary is limited, in that he hasnt learned new words, its that he never got the opportunity to adjust his language in sustained environments.
What interesting, is how we modified our words. All homophobic language has long since been removed, including the one implying preforming fellatio, especially while male, is a bad thing. We scour our language for leftover racism. We dont use the n word of course, but casual racism can be expressed by saying I ran in to this black guy, when race has nothing to do with the encounter. Now its I ran into this guy
I enjoy swearing. I enjoy words. I was telling a friend a long time ago how fascinating I find words and their impact on culture and he told me to go watch The Aristocrats a kind of focus out comedy without limits. I did. Damn.
(While I was typing this, my husband just got one of those scamming calls, the first question was How are you My husband Real fucking good, why are you calling me motherfucker
I have to laugh)
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)you are spot on!
StarryNite
(9,446 posts)We swear because we're just too damn smart!
Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
RICHARD STEPHENS, THE CONVERSATION2 FEB 2017
[link:https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists|
tavernier
(12,389 posts)who are really good at hiding it.
paleotn
(17,920 posts)I've known some pretty smart people who could burn paint off a wall with a stream of profanity.
Baltimike
(4,146 posts)StarryNite
(9,446 posts)a kennedy
(29,669 posts)ill try to keep it to a minimum. Im sure like most, or at least lotsa folk here it becomes harder and harder for us to not swear with the orange piece of shit occupying our house. But I will try.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,344 posts)And how did you hack LuckyCharms' DU account? What have you done with him? Or her? Whatever?
barbtries
(28,798 posts)from someone who was tired of "obscenities."
we have a fucking walking talking obscenity in the WH. A collection of obscenities in the senate. children in cages is obscene!
sometimes the right word is considered profane. and i'm one of the nicest fucking potty mouths you'll ever meet. i try to watch my mouth around my grandchildren but let's face it they are exposed from pre school.
there's just so much else to get riled up over.
SWBTATTReg
(22,130 posts)obscene pu&&y grabber as a so called president of our country, I think a little potty language is okay by any standard, and if I got to let off a little steam about this idiot, why not, eh?
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)isn't that the truth, fires in Australia and those who perished on the flight that got shot down.
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)fuck-a-doodle-do, I do understand! My excuse is that I had brothers and I worked at a men's prison.
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)tavernier
(12,389 posts)I find that people who use a varied vocabulary to express themselves are more interesting. My mind tends to drift off when every other word starts with F.
BTW, I loved to listen to Colonel Potter on MASH. He made salty language a pleasure to hear.
One seldom hears 'balderdash' anymore.
OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)tavernier
(12,389 posts)who really had me fooled.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)And, study after study proves that people who swear a lot also tend to be have both better critical thinking and be more articulate in both verbal and written communications.
Wawannabe
(5,661 posts)Harker
(14,019 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 10, 2020, 01:18 AM - Edit history (1)
expressing my disgust with the Detroit Red Wings organization and their fans, as well as the broadcasters, who thought it great fun to throw living and dead octopuses onto the ice (and onto an ESPN studio set.)
I sent copies to league officials, team ownership, and to broadcast executives and sportscasters.
The only response I got was from Gary Thorne, who said that he couldn't agree more on the issue, but added that it's hard to take my concerns seriously since I used the word 'assholes' in supposedly serious correspondence.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Hey, people who do that or permit it ARE assholes!
Harker
(14,019 posts)I try to choose my words carefully. I even toned it down a bit.
Go Hawks!
sammythecat
(3,568 posts)Contemptible people are, by definition, assholes and those mf'ers certainly qualify. I know I'm extreme, and I make no apologies, but, if one of those assholes and a spider were drowning in a lake, I'm going for the spider. No hesitation, no regret. Fuck the asshole. We've got more than enough cruel and stupid people in the world as it is.
Harker
(14,019 posts)Octopuses are sensitive and intelligent, unlike the assholes who would twirl them over their heads and chuck them out onto the ice.
panader0
(25,816 posts)of his grandma. I froze. She asked "Where did you hear that word?"
He said "From Greg." Greg was my business partner. I skated....
On edit: so called "profanity" in mostly intonation. The same words can be
said many different ways. Even names. Otherwise, who cares. Vocabulary
is important. I have suggested to some friends that they need to know proper
curses, like Shakespeare used. The same old shit gets old.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I try to adapt to the audience and atmosphere, and try not to take it personally if my occasional swearing offends someone. I can be church lady in one setting and sailor in another. Sometimes it can be hard to tell which crowd you're in at the time - at least initially.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I like your style, Dude ...
42bambi
(1,753 posts)one another. I love the uniqueness and openness of all sorts of different people here. How boring and mundane would this place be if we all had the same character! Thanks for sharing your thoughts, which is precisely why we are here at DU.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)WTForecast. Awefuckingsome.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)that is well fucking put.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)LisaM
(27,813 posts)I work at a law firm, and we used to have a secretary who was very religious. We have a mutual respect policy in place, and she did not like swearing (particularly if it was things like "god damn it", or "Jesus Christ!" ) and complained once that an attorney she was paired with swore all the time. She didn't like it and it made her uncomfortable.
The attorney completely disregarded our company policy (and how her secretary felt) and started swearing more! The secretary told me that the attorney seemed to make a point of swearing in her presence. I don't know how it would have been resolved if the attorney hadn't moved to an office in another city, but yeah, it made me angry. A supervisor really has no right to make a subordinate feel uncomfortable like that.
So I can see both sides of this debate. Yes, I swear and use profanities (usually when watching sports), but some people are genuinely bothered by profanity and I see no reason not to respect that.
Just think of it as the same thing as racial or sexual slurs. Just because it doesn't bother everyone doesn't mean it doesn't bother some people, and I see no reason to purposely make others uncomfortable if I can help it. I'm not particularly religious, but I know that some people have deep faith, and where it's legitimate (not hate filled), I respect that and am happy to make a boundary around my language where they're concerned.
malaise
(269,022 posts)aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I'm an educated man, but sometimes there aren't suitable adjectives for the idea(s) I'd like to relate to others. Some swear words portray a forcefulness that other descriptors aren't capable of portraying. So I swear sometimes when writing just to convey my true feelings at that moment. If someone doesn't like it there are remedies available on DU for the offended to utilize in order to shield themselves from my swearing. Ignore me, alert on me, hide my posts, I just don't fucking care. Like Neil Young said, "doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you."
Great post, LuckyCharms. I like your cereal too!
Quixote1818
(28,943 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)And a 45 year aircraft mechanic ...
I lead diminished capacity...
alterfurz
(2,474 posts)...profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer." -- Mark Twain
OTOH, as dear old dad used to say: "Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers."
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)and limit cursing to extreme situations. I also tried to star out the middle letters of curse words.
That's mostly out the window now. I think the turning point for me was Dump, but I'm not sure.
I'm not proud of my transition into more profanity. I still tend to see it as a respect issue, but I guess I've morphed into a disrespectful person.
Thanks, Dump!
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)can results in heated brawls.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I do watch myself in public, and I don't ever cuss around children.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)I told him fuck if I know.
Since I retired, I dont have much of a filter except in front of strange children or at parent-teacher conferences.
I was a funeral director for many years and had to act right. It was challenging, but now I can say whatever the hell I want. And my hair is bright fucking pink.....because I can.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)don't swear but ever since this idiot has stole the office, I can't hold back, and I bet there are many here at DU who feel the same.
paleotn
(17,920 posts)Judge not, lest ye be judged. It would be a much nicer world if more people took that to heart.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Ever since Trump was elected, my internet profanity skyrocketed because I could not find adequate words in the English language to express my anger, fear, despair, sense of horror and absolute disgust with everything Trump and Republican related. I was at a loss for words and profanity seemed to fill the void and also helped me to let off some steam at the same time.
In my real life, most people are surprised to hear me even utter a mild profanity and will comment if I say something off-color. My speech in person is nothing like my internet rants about Trump/Republicans. We had a lunch meeting about a month ago and the caterer sent these pathetic little cellophane wrapped flimsy forks/knives with a napkin that was a shade above a facial tissue. I was opening mine and I said "I can't believe what lame-ass utensils they send us for what we pay them! " Pretty tame, I think. Anyway, a number of people laughed and said "Smirky, that is some pretty strong language coming from you!"
If they only knew how I raged on this board they would be shocked. Sometimes, I just need to rant and get it out of my system. I am well educated, I am from a good family, I am nothing like the stereotype that the original poster who complained about us foul mouthed DU'ers implied.
There are those who think that this is only a place where logical arguments and thoughtful ideas should be shared. And that is one of the strengths of this board and I appreciate that. However, some of us also need a safe place to come and express our anger and frustrations and our language is not always going to sound eloquent or rational. Hell, it beats ripping all our clothes off and running up and down the streets ranting about fascism and Opus Dei. Which, I have actually considered in my weaker moments.
Cheers, Lucky. And thanks for your post!
Warpy
(111,267 posts)Anyone who has a problem with the indelicacy of my speech when it comes to this administration can fuck right off.
Tink41
(537 posts)Normally I have worn my "Martha Stewart" hat around offspring. But as soon as I arrived at work, I put my trucker hat on, no offense to truckers! It made my day to have a full unleashed vocabulary and figuring out new ways to use the foul words. Actually it invigorated me, brought excitement and released stress. I never swear at someone, that's unconscionable. Instead I use as descriptors, to show excitement, regret, or to drive home a point. When I return home, the lady hat goes back on and they are none the wiser.
Harker
(14,019 posts)you Mean you're not always serious?
Oh, my.
ET Awful
(24,753 posts)Shaddox
(384 posts)Take the motherfuckers out of this continuum and we are all fucked. Onwards, physics!
Silent3
(15,218 posts)...then it's annoying as all fuck... so to speak
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)MasonDreams
(756 posts)If the Govt can tell you you can't say the word fuck, then you can't say "fuck the Govt".
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)And I myself rarely curse , but that's your choice. It doesn't offend me, but some it does. We all are different , and accepting that is easy for some and very hard for others. We're all different, and that's what makes this thread so good, all the differences and great opinions from everyone, even when I don't agree. Thank you for posting this, and looking forward to many more.