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I Wouldn't Let Lev Parnas Park My Car. But He's a Witness.
Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani's henchman in Ukraine is nobody's idea of a hero, but he kept receipts.
BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
JAN 16, 2020
Let me be perfectly clear. I would not buy an apple from Lev Parnas, Rudy Giulianis running buddy in the Ukraine and (apparently) a former unofficial emissary from El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago. He is indeed under federal indictment. All of this is true now that hes doing this very odd media tour as The Man Who Kept Receipts. I wouldnt let him park my car.
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This, of course, was in reference to the administration*s withholding of vital military aid from Ukraine unless that countrys president agreed to help this countrys president* ratfck the 2020 presidential election. That aid was the biggest club the claque of extortionists in the White House sought to wield. It also gives the White House something else to cover up, which is both another crime and another abuse of power. And its one more crucial piece of evidence on the side of the case that says this administration* is capable of almost anythingincluding, it must be said, relying on a skeevy international bagman like Lev Parnas.
Now, as for Lev himself, the fact-witness with the struggling combover and the David Ferrie eyebrows, Id say that, by and large, hes been dealing straight with his interviewers, although Charlie Savages cautions on MSNBC Thursday morning are well-taken. On the events for which he already has provided documents, he seems to be telling the truth, and much of what he said were backed up by previous witnesses like Bill Taylor and Fiona Hill. He did crack open a new line of inquiry when he told kindly Doc Maddow that holding up the military aid was, in fact, the second quid pro quo demanded by the administration*. The first, he said, involved a visit that Vice President Mike Pence was supposed to make to Ukraine that was cancelled, according to Parnas, when Ukraine held off on investigating the Bidens as the White House demanded. This also seems completely consonant with what we already know.
The most conspicuously dodgy part of Parnass interview was the way he handled the matter of surveillance (or worse) of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. It is more than clear that removing Yovanovitch was central to the White House scheme. But Parnas went vague on the involvement of Robert Hyde, the Connecticut Republican whose messages to Parnas seemed to indicate a knowledge of Yovanovitchs movements and also ominously claimed you can get anything done in Ukraine for a price. Parnas dismissed Hyde as an obnoxious drunkwhich, to be fair, he seems to bebut on the substance of Hydes claims, Parnas went into a fog.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a30549918/lev-parnas-ukraine-trump-rudy-giuliani/
babylonsister
(171,072 posts)spooky3
(34,460 posts)when talking about Hyde. My suspicion when watching the interview was that Parnas was also involved in possible criminal threats toward the ambassador, so he tried to shoo away questions about that.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Trying to save his own hide.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)to an investigation of conspiracy to commit murder.
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)If it is shown that he was in USA while sending these messages that he was stalking the Ambassador then that lends credence to the "he's a crank" view. If he was in Ukraine while sending these messages, then that is something very sinister.
May be more here, though.
If Mr. Hyde is just a drunken crank (or has mental problems), why are these gangsters playing along with him? He obviously knew of the mobsters' interest in Ukraine and in the Ambassador specifically. The conspirators must have confided in him. We know he was in contact with them and communicating with them.
Mr. Hyde's story of being hacked and being threatened by people he thought were Secret Service is also not so far fetched, if he was indeed a "loose cannon" in a major conspiracy. In addition, symptoms of psychosis can be induced. I doubt this gang had the sophistication to do so, but they may be working in conjunction with Intelligence Services that do. There is certainly motive to discredit him.
And Mr. Hyde has a history of stalking and threatening behavior. Clearly, something was going on involving the Ambassador's security, or she would not have been warned and then rushed out of the country.
I expect a lot more is going to come out about Mr. Hyde, his connections, and his behavior.
mcar
(42,334 posts)I agree with everything you said here.
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)Stalking an American Ambassador on foreign soil is scary and serious stuff. I wonder if the "security threat" came from outside the Embassy (say, a missive or phone call) or if it was something observed by Security personnel. Since the Ambassador's testimony has been corroborated by Parnas' phone records, the Embassy should be investigated for more evidence, such as written records of Security.
Something certainly caught the attention of Embassy Security.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He wouldn't need to be there in Ukraine physically the whole time.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)is a dodge or a decoy. Maybe they are creating their own "fake news" to discredit the everything else.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)met Ambassador Yovanovich, his visits to Ukraine were to very different circles associated with organized crime and Putin, but that his account and hers are nevertheless strikingly similar.
MSNBC/Rachel undoubtedly did serious professional vetting before they put him before the nation, but it's nothing to what the DoJ should have done. Another ex- fed pointed out that Parnas's appearance on Barr's radar should have sparked immediate investigation into everything, and of course deep investigation into his credibility and that of every detail of his story would have been conducted.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)already have this defendant in a pending case, who has every incentive to cooperate, on their string. "There's a weird thing going on ... "informed conjecture." A cooperation agreement would suggest they found him "valuable and credible," lack of one suggests something else. Maybe they don't need him, they don't want him, but for sure they're not using him.
He's wondering how much of this story can be corroborated, presumably to legal, SDNY standards. And he didn't come to trust Parnas from listening to him.
marble falls
(57,109 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sitting federal prosecutors don't moonlight as talking heads explaining what they're currently doing.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)he is making sure they don't kill him. Had Epstein opened his mouth and do a tell-all he may still be alive today, not that I or the world miss him or anything, but it is a way to preserve his life.
"But Parnas went vague on the involvement of Robert Hyde"...I don't think he went vague, I think he may have dismissed the craziness of the guy knowing he is a drunk and a blubber mouth, it is up to the FBI to find out the credibility of Hyde's tweets.
Toorich
(391 posts)are authentic and he certainly has provided more of them to Congress than has the Tangerine Turd.
I appreciate all the folks ol' Lev nailed saying he is a liar. Hell, I'd say the same thing myself if ol' Lev
had done that to me.
But, I haven't seen their texts, emails, travel records etc. that impeach ol' Lev's documents. Did I
just miss those, or have they not been offered in rebuttal?