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Source" ABC News
January 24, 2020, 9:09 AM
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Full Headline: Take her out: recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired
Trump apparently heard discussing firing Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.
The recording appears to contradict statements by President Trump and support the narrative that has been offered by Parnas during broadcast interviews in recent days. Sources familiar with the recording said the recording was made during an intimate April 30, 2018 dinner at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.
Trump has said repeatedly he does not know Parnas, a Soviet-born American who has emerged as a wild card in Trumps impeachment trial, especially in the days since Trump was impeached.
"Get rid of her!" is what the voice that appears to be President Trumps is heard saying. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. Okay? Do it."
On the recording, it appears the two Giuliani associates are telling President Trump that the U.S. ambassador has been bad-mouthing him, which leads directly to the apparent remarks by the President. The recording was made by Fruman according to sources familiar with the tape. The White House did not respond to an ABC News request for comment.
During the conversation, several of the participants can be heard laughing with the President. At another point, the recording appears to capture Trump praising his new choice of Secretary of State, saying emphatically: Pompeo is the best. But the most striking moment comes when Parnas and the President discuss the dismissal of his ambassador to Ukraine.
Parnas appears to say: "The biggest problem there, I think where we need to start is we gotta get rid of the ambassador. She's still left over from the Clinton administration," Parnas can be heard telling Trump. "She's basically walking around telling everybody 'Wait, he's gonna get impeached, just wait," he said. (Yovanovitch actually had served in the State Department since the Reagan Administration.)
Link: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story?id=68506437
rurallib
(62,444 posts)'sticking their heads on a spike if they vote against me.'
That last one would be jury tampering.
C_U_L8R
(45,019 posts)Along with Trump's threats to put Republican heads on pikes. Oh and Rudy's latest rantings. The new news about TRump's corruption just does not stop.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)dalton99a
(81,568 posts)RandySF
(59,162 posts)UTUSN
(70,725 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)we know what it means
also "get rid of her"
C Moon
(12,221 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Docreed2003
(16,869 posts)He's the "President"...if he wanted her fired, he could have fired her...why even talk about firing with Rudy and Lev? This wasn't about firing, clearly he's telling them to "take her out" permanently
LudwigPastorius
(9,166 posts)You put this along side the warnings she was receiving about her personal safety and it's clear there is more going on here then a simple job dismissal.
crickets
(25,982 posts)It's why they don't really want to hear anything new. This type of evidence is so obvious and so damning that an acquittal would never fly.
AJT
(5,240 posts)or an invitation to go on a date?.....
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Our media routinely uses the term "take out" when the United States assassinates someone."Take out" equals kill. And there are those threats on record about following the ambassador and some service that could be rendered for cash. And she was warned to get out of Ukraine on the first plane out due to threats on her security...
triron
(22,019 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)cilla4progress
(24,760 posts)this recording?
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)cilla4progress
(24,760 posts)but not.us???!
bluestarone
(17,025 posts)Who owns this tape? I hope they can play this video! Also mention the threat memo. Every Rethug senator KNOWS they received one. If the tRUMP people denies it then ANOTHER LIE! (they have PROOF in their hands)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"Take her out"? I don't think there is a lot of room for interpretation there.
TrishaJ
(798 posts)treatment of a U.S. foreign ambassador is reason enough alone to remove him from office. His behavior toward her proves his unfitness to remain in office. After all, couldn't he have just reassigned her or fired her himself without all of the blustering and threats and character assassination and now "take her out?" There is just no excuse for GOP Senators to acquit this bastard.
Delmette2.0
(4,169 posts)Our pResident ordered the murder of his/our Ambassador.
And yes, he's was speaking in Mafia code.
Bit she got warned and left for the U.S.
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)What am I missing? Neither AOI is actually about anything that happened to Yovanovitch. All they will say is that "the President has the right and power to fire ambassadors at will, so what does it matter that he wanted her gone for "badmouthing" him."
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Trump has said over and over he doesn't know these guys. He took a couple of pictures with them and that's it, he doesn't know them. This recording blows that up. Why do you think Trump would be so very insistent that he didn't know these guys?
The recording appears to contradict statements by President Trump and support the narrative that has been offered by Parnas during broadcast interviews in recent days. Sources familiar with the recording said the recording was made during an intimate April 30, 2018 dinner at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C.
Trump has said repeatedly he does not know Parnas,
On the recording, it appears the two Giuliani associates are telling President Trump that the U.S. ambassador has been bad-mouthing him, which leads directly to the apparent remarks by the President.
During the conversation, several of the participants can be heard laughing with the President.
Parnas appears to say: "The biggest problem there, I think where we need to start is we gotta get rid of the ambassador. She's still left over from the Clinton administration," Parnas can be heard telling Trump. "She's basically walking around telling everybody 'Wait, he's gonna get impeached, just wait," he said. (Yovanovitch actually had served in the State Department since the Reagan Administration.)
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)every single negative thing ever claimed about him. It doesn't matter what he has been saying about "not knowing" someone. He is in god damn pictures with the person and his personal attorney is knee-deep with the guy. Seriously, this is nothing new or different than what has already bee reported. Nobody has gone under oath and disputed the shakedown scheme, so Trump's "denials" aren't taken seriously by anybody including his supporters.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)Rudy, Lev and Igor that. They don't have a position in the government to do so. But here he is telling them to "take her out" "get rid of her" So what was he really telling them to do?
Wednesdays
(17,402 posts)it adds credibility to Parnas and his statements.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)MissouriLibrul
(35 posts)He may as well have said, Whack her.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)that he did not intend to harm her.
triron
(22,019 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)actually resulted in his impeachment.
Like... I don't know if I can consume that much schadenfreude in one sitting. I may have to pace myself.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)that what Lev Parnas had to say about the meeting was truthful.
sandensea
(21,656 posts)I think we all know what "take her out" can also mean.
moondust
(20,002 posts)Probably a good idea. These days it's hard to take anything at face value.
KPN
(15,649 posts)Fucking media treats this asshole with kid gloves consistently and America is paying big time for it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to take her out of her position by much more hurtful tactics than exercising the power he always had to just recall her.
Frankly, I think he's still too far too cowardly and rightfully afraid of consequences to directly order a murder. We do see that hanging with criminals could lead him into involvement with murder, very likely even hypocritically to encourage murder -- as long as he believed he had that safe, yapping-dog distance from danger he always insists on.
He is seeking the power he needs to be safe.
calimary
(81,440 posts)that he thinks he can get away with it.
Thats been his whole pattern of behavior, over his entire life. Whatever he can get away with.
And so far has a behavior has never been checked. Hes never had to pay for anything. By pay I mean - face real consequences.
He probably never got a spanking when he was a kid.
He probably never flunked out and had to repeat a grade in school because of lousy grades.
Hes never been held accountable for literally mishandling women.
Yeah hes been sued. So he has it dragged out 50 different ways from Sunday to where his opponent runs out of money and gives up. Or he countersues and otherwise peppers his opponent with nuisance legal maneuvering so the opponent gives up (knowing they dont have the deep pockets to fight down 100 different and random rabbit holes.
He learned - maybe from Roy Cohn, or somebody else like that - how to be so slippery that nobody can lay a hand on him, and keep it on him.
And were all witnessing the results of that sneaky, duplicitous behavior track - of gaming the system AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT - over a lifetime thats 70-some-odd years. There never have been consequences that REALLY hurt, OR held, in this individual.
Im frankly amazed the impeachment held.
And just watch: when (I assume) the Senate fails to convict, watch how he spins it. Suddenly, doubt will be cast on whether he EVER ACTUALLY WAS impeached. Just watch. This guys pattern throughout his long life has been to gum up the works, lie, distort, cheat, obfuscate, confuse, bob n weave, and muddy the waters. So why would he let this one stand?
And now hes got himself one hell of an amen chorus from the wall-to-wall sycophants in the Senate and House and at the state level, the evangelical contingent, and fake media like Pox Noise and Breitbart and hate radio to carry the bull for him and repeat the memes and frames and talking points and lies to help with the whitewash and the snow job. Watch the new language, the antics with semantics, to try to make you think it really didnt happen. That impeachment didnt really happen.
Watch not just WHAT they say but HOW they say it. The attempted (aborted/unsuccessful/failed/unreasonable/mean-spirited/illogical/purported/fake/unreasonable/conspiracy-driven/wrong-headed/so-called/alleged/irrational/liberal-led/unconscionable/made-up/phony/unfounded/illegal/unconstitutional/irrational/outrageous/illegitimate - and his own personal favorite - UNFAIR!!!) impeachment.
Just watch the Language Games to come. Theyll be going for the gold. (In more ways than one.)
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and that formed him, even mentally disordered as he is, as it does almost all of us. I've actually been surprised that, as the right becomes increasingly lawless, they haven't murdered more. But consequences of that are still feared in a way that other means of massive corruption and subversion aren't. As you say, they can usually get away with those.
So agree with that last. He will put the very worst interpretation on it. I just hope he's not so afraid of November 3 that fear forces him to behave most of the time. People need to see Real Donald Trump emboldened.
calimary
(81,440 posts)to push it that much farther. Remember this: his new mentor (Vlad) does it that way. Opponents are jailed, exiled to Siberian prisons, tracked like prey all over Europe til theyre found dead under mysterious circumstances in the UK or some such distant locale. And the donald is nothing but an eager student of Whatever-It-Takes, even including the Dark Arts - especially those at his beck n call at THIS level of power and authority.
Its like giving a mass murderer the keys to the armory, and sending all the guards and watchdogs off on vacation. Or to sleep on the job... cough Epstein cough-cough...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just hope no one dies during them, or from his acting out during periods of anxiety. He is a potential mass murderer with keys to unleash it. Almost every morning I check the news wondering if we've murdered overnight.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)the tape?
Earth Bound Misfit
(3,554 posts)My guess would be Parnas' attorney.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Patterson
(1,531 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)any means necessary. But alas, Republicans do not care.
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Especially with the Parnas emails. This fuck thinks he's the Godfather now
triron
(22,019 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And he knows it. He knew exactly what he was implying when he said that.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Dangerous times for America and the World.
democrank
(11,100 posts)and Trump is a full-blown thug.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)As in "You're fired." But this sounds more like "paint a house," as in the movie "The Irishman."
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)That Nancy Pelosi in challenging Trump used the "do you also paint houses?" line.
I think she knows something. She does not throw out a line like that for no reason
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Completely agree
dlk
(11,575 posts)I hope ambassador Yovanovitch has security.
DarthDem
(5,256 posts)n/t
Earth Bound Misfit
(3,554 posts)triron
(22,019 posts)"ABC News has reviewed a 2018 recording of Trump appearing to call for the removal of then-US ambassador to Ukraine Maria Yovanovitch. The president has repeatedly denied pushing for the longtime diplomats ouster.
Trump has unleashed a stream of Twitter attacks against Democrats as the impeachment managers prepare for their final day of opening arguments.
The Pentagon has confirmed that 34 US troops suffered concussions or traumatic brain injuries from the Iranian missile strike in Iraq, contradicting Trumps claims that there were no casualties. Trump also dismissed the soldiers concussionas as headaches. "
NoMoreRepugs
(9,454 posts)you cant imagine ever getting concussed.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)triron
(22,019 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)today. He said he saw the story, but didn't know enough about it to comment.
bdamomma
(63,918 posts)mobster tRump would say, "take her out".
Just arrest his ass already.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)He can do that.
The people he is talking to can't fire her.
So clearly he was telling them to do something else.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,135 posts)Imagine any other POTUS running the country like this. We have completely lost control of our democratic republic. Making villains of the whole of the Democratic Party this young century has been the driving goal of the Rightwing Media.
No other shoes to drop.
Initech
(100,099 posts)And that's a hotel full of assassins and crooks to begin with!
Moral Compass
(1,525 posts)The question at this point isdoes Trump ever tell the truth?
He utterly unfit for the office he holds.
This level of complete corruption is mind boggling.
Trump is THE SWAMP.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)budkin
(6,713 posts)Nothing to hear folks... just more leftist MSM fake news...
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Come on what the fuck people.
ret5hd
(20,516 posts)Did that person have the authority to fire her?
No? Well, who did have that authority?
Ooooohhh, trump himself did. I see.
Well then, why didnt he just get on the phone and say youre fired!?
Well? Well?