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The point of the newly revealed audio tape: (Original Post) milestogo Jan 2020 OP
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2020 #1
What it shows is that as early as ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #2
The Burisma/Biden scam came into play because that was the quo intrepidity Jan 2020 #3
Not in April 2018. I think ... Whiskeytide Jan 2020 #4
Yes! It's so much more complex and multifaceted than Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #7
Yes, that's right intrepidity Jan 2020 #8
No daylight between Trump and Putin and that's just how the U.S. president wants it eleny Jan 2020 #5
Actually the most important point is that it shows that Trump lied grantcart Jan 2020 #6

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
2. What it shows is that as early as ...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:28 PM
Jan 2020

... Spring of 2018, trump was trying to develop the narrative that The Ukraine was responsible for the election interference, not Russia. At the time this was probably aimed at countering Meuller and the IC, and to carry Putin’s water in general. The Burisma/Biden scam may not have been on the front burner at the time.

It also shows that he has a very long and obviously close history with Parnas, the guy he doesn’t know.

intrepidity

(7,297 posts)
3. The Burisma/Biden scam came into play because that was the quo
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:45 PM
Jan 2020

It was the original quid pro quo, with Lutsenko demanding Yovanovitch removal in exchange for him gathering dirt on Biden.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
4. Not in April 2018. I think ...
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:09 AM
Jan 2020

... then the Giuliani scam was more about “a lot of people say the server is in Ukraine”. Biden did not announce his candidacy until April 2019.

Ambassador Yovanovitch was not actually called home until May 2019. She was called home because Lutsenko wanted her gone as part of the Burisma/Biden deal. But that wasn’t on their radar a year earlier when this tape was made.

Remember Parnas said trump had been trying to fire her for a year. And the Giuliani clown car was working several different angles over a long period of time. I’m sure Yavonovitch was a pain in their asses from the start.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
7. Yes! It's so much more complex and multifaceted than
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 02:05 AM
Jan 2020

just the Biden angle. And it depended on what timeframe you are in. Different entangled motives/impetus...defense of Manafort, ridding of Obama loyalists, revenge on suspected Clinton supporters, proving he won without Russian help. Biden dirt actually later in timeline.

intrepidity

(7,297 posts)
8. Yes, that's right
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:15 AM
Jan 2020

Originally originally, it was the "server" story, or the black ledger story. It just kept evolving over time.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. Actually the most important point is that it shows that Trump lied
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 01:50 AM
Jan 2020

About knowing Parnas and gives credibility to all of Parnas' claims.

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