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handmade34

(22,756 posts)
2. Parnas has said
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020

that trump directed that comment to another man at the table... although, "man" is not a correct description for any of them... they all appears to be immature middle school boys playing spy, or cops and robbers, or some such game

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
3. wrong on both counts
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jan 2020

Trump was not speaking to Parnas (although they were apparently in the same room).
And the narrative that this might have been "code" for some kind of gangland "hit" .. is patently absurd .. and just plain silly on the face of it.

among other reasons: 1) Trump had complete authority to order this person removed (which he eventually did, 13 months further on) - and 2) statement was given in the presence of a number of varied of individuals .. which even the dimmest of bulbs would realize did not constitute a solid foundation for conspiracy to murder (which in fact, it certainly wasn't).

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
5. Trump is a thug surrounded by thugs. "Take her out" doesn't mean handing her a cardboard box...
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:00 PM
Jan 2020

...to clean out her desk while security changes the passcodes.

Cohen (now in prison) has already told us that Trump likes to "speak in code" -- like a mob boss. Comey (now fired) has already told us his interactions with Trump were like dealing with a mob family.

All things considered, it would take a pretty dim bulb in that particular gathering to not get the message.

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
6. and yet, all those dim bulbs didn't get the message
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:08 PM
Jan 2020

did they?
Trump talks a lot of sh*t. And yet, suddenly .. in this one particular instance .. everything is rock solid and clear as glass. It's just utter nonsense. Not buying, at any price.

Hekate

(90,690 posts)
7. I think you have this wrong. It's just that not everybody is up for actual murder...
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jan 2020

Or at least not personally.

Our government has been taken over, not just by criminals, but by thugs. Trump is a violent man, and he is always testing the limits, and testing to see if there are any lines others will not cross yet.

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
8. all of which may be completely true
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:44 PM
Jan 2020

and STILL leave this story as a real clunker. We should stop peddling nonsense. Trump made this statement, to a room full of people (number uncertain), 13 months before the individual in question was (quite legally) removed from her post.

I just refuse to DO conspiracy crap.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
9. Apparently you are unfamiliar with Parnas' description of what happened.
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jan 2020

From the transcript of Rachel Maddow's interview with Parnas:

"And at that time, he turned around to John DeStefano, who was his aide at the time, and said, “fire her”. And we all – there was a silence in the room. He responded to him, said Mr. President, we can`t do that right now because Pompeo hasn`t been confirmed yet. That Pompeo is not confirmed yet and we don`t have – this is when Tillerson was gone, but Pompeo was confirmed, so they go, wait until (INAUDIBLE)".

It makes perfect sense that Trump would tell Joe DeStafano to take care of getting Yovonovitch out of her position -- DeStefano is the guy that wrote the letter to Sally Yates telling her the President had fired her. And Parnas' description also gives an indication as to why Trump's order wasn't carried out and Yovonovitch stayed in her job for another 13 months. Ignoring Trump's orders apparently is something that the staff did not infrequently. And it also fits with DeStefano resigning the same day, a year later, when Yovonovitch was finally fired.

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