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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI Was a High School Band Geek.
When I was a skinny 6' tall 14-year-old, I agonized over that. In my Freshman year of high school, I could see who the popular kids were at my small high school, which had only about 500 students. The football players, the cheerleaders, the handsome and pretty kids. I was skinny, awkward, and wore clothes from Sears and J.C. Penney. I didn't think I'd ever fit in. I didn't think I'd ever be one of those fortunate kids who always seemed to be surrounded by smiling, laughing others. I was 14 and worried. I was just a band geek.
It was a difficult year. I couldn't find my way out of it at all, and was feeling sorry for myself.
But, the next year, something changed. It turned out I was a pretty good band geek, and I could sing, too. I got straight As in my classes. I began to recognize other kids like myself. We weren't great looking, nor were we very socially adept. We were just teenagers going through being teenagers. So, I started making friends with those kids - the kids in the band, the kids in the chorus, the kids in the academic honor society.
Pretty soon, I discovered that life was not so terrible. There were even girls among my new friends who were happy to go to a movie with me or to a school dance. They weren't the school cheerleaders, but they were still cute and fun to be around. I hung out with others who were not the obviously "popular" kids. We had fun. We had romances. We did goofy things together.
I gave up wanting to be one of the cool kids, and stopped feeling sorry for myself. I smiled a lot more. I did OK for the rest of high school. My friends did the same. By giving up on the need to stand out socially, we all enjoyed ourselves maybe even more. We went unnoticed by the popular kids, who had their own stuff to do.
DU, I suspect, is full of people like me. We're the political geeks. We're the ones taking stuff seriously that others never think about very much. We're concerned with weird things like equality, fairness, the environment, and other geeky things. We've found our group of like-minded people and people we get along with.
It's a good thing!
spanone
(135,891 posts)CrispyQ
(36,533 posts)Lots and lots of fond memories of band, marching band, half time shows, parades, (stepping around horse poop!), orchestra for the school musical. It was great! I only wish I'd played clarinet instead of flute.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Then the band's oboist graduated, and the band director handed the school's oboe to me and said, "Learn to play this." Instantly, I became even more geeky, 'cause who plays the oboe, after all?
That turned out great, because nobody plays the oboe. I got good on it somehow, which led to spots on honor bands, including the state honor band, because there just weren't many oboists around, and I could play the music.
Sometimes, being the weird kid works out pretty well.
MyOwnPeace
(16,940 posts)Lots of conservatories give scholarships for oboe players - there aren't that many people willing to play it!
Google "Paul McCandless" from Windham Hill - beautiful stuff! (also a fraternity brother!).
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)but then I ran into some real professional musicians. They were so far ahead of me that achieving that level seemed impossible. So, I stopped playing after high school. In my 30s, I picked up the oboe again and played for eight years, performing with a woodwind quintet and various orchestras. One of those orchestras did a two-week European concert tour, so that was fun. Once again. there always seemed to be a shortage of oboists, so there were many opportunities. But, then, work got too busy, and I put the oboe down again.
I finally sold my oboe to pay the property taxes on our house about 12 years ago. I sold it to a high school freshman's mother for a reasonable price, after going through it and making sure it was in perfect condition. Last I heard, the girl who got it was in college and had graduated to an even better instrument and was well on her way to a career. Her mom kept me up on her progress over the years.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Sax is fun.
dweller
(23,674 posts)😁
✌🏼
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)But, there was this one french horn player...
DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts)Thanks for all you are and all you do.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Walleye
(31,067 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I was the parliamentarian, of all things. I learned Robert's Rules of Order thoroughly, for all the good that ever did me.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)I was not as fortunate as you during high school, and I always felt a bit marginalized. Luckily, I was accepted to a great college and found myself suddenly surrounded by geeks of all kinds. It was heaven for me and the first time I really felt a sense of belonging.
Life is all about finding your people. I hope everybody eventually finds a place where they fit in.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)I was lucky. I give a lot of credit to my mother, who suggested I stop worrying and make friends with people like myself.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Band Geek,Choir Geek,and proud of it. Baritone player. Nothing like Marching Band during a Winter Festival Parade.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)for Winter Parades. Our Band Director played in several Polka Bands on Weekends . As you know 90 miles east north east of you how that goes. Polks Fests in January of February in unheated Ballrooms get interesting. The Director has a source for Hot Rod and Plastic mouth pieces . One in St Paul and another in Eau Claire. Always felt for the Reed Players lots of split lips .
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)And one whose mom took her to the "big town" to protest the war when I was 16 years old. My brother was serving at that time, but what he was fighting was just wrong and he could have died. I took that really seriously, it wasn't against those who fought, it was against the stupid rich white guys who sent him and not their own kids. So yes, I took things a little seriously . My senior thesis in 1973 was on Watergate.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Maybe that's not surprising.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)MineralMan
(146,336 posts)serious people, despite our reputation for being sort of weird. Some friends and I got together in 1960 and made up a small band to greet Bobby Kennedy, whose train came to town on a whistle-stop tour, campaigning for JFK. We played the train into town, got a thumbs up from RFK, and got hassled by the town's Republicans for showing up to support JFK.
There were complaints about using some school instruments for political purposes. I was teaching myself the tuba, so I took one of the school's sousaphones to meet the train. The band director just said, "Who cares what they think? Good job!"
Aristus
(66,468 posts)When even the administrators thought band was an elective, or an unneeded extra, our music teacher taught us that what we do, studying a musical instrument, taking the time to practice and improve our form, rehearsing together to build a cohesive group, and performing good solid music, had value in the world outside the classroom.
Once, before the weekly football game, the Vice Principal asked our band director if the band was going to come to the game and "make some noise".
He replied: "We don't make noise; we make music."
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)At least as good as team sports. Sadly, nobody ever seems to see it that way, so the sports teams get the money and the band gets forgotten.
Aristus
(66,468 posts)Even other band geeks didn't like me.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Our tuba players were great! Can't have a band without them.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)I was the HS band directors daughter. RIP Dad.
Met my husband in the college band and we both play in the local community band which my Dad was director of for 20 years after he retired from teaching. We recently named our rehearsal building in his memory.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Great thread, MM, thanks. You were right!
Leith
(7,813 posts)It was a terrific thing for me. My circle of friends included band people and non-band people.
My high school seemed to be a little different from most. There were circles of friends, but none of them tried to lord their imagined superiority over everyone else.
We didn't have a group of "popular & good looking kids." Sure we had cheerleaders - and they were nice to people. Yes, there were those who participated in sports, but it was something they did, not something that placed them above others. There was one girl who got good grades and looked down on those who didn't, but nobody liked her. Like all schools, there was bullying, but I don't remember horror stories like other schools had.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Ours wasn't terrible, but 14 year olds have problems anyhow with self-acceptance and the like, it seems.
Baltimike
(4,148 posts)Looks like the band's getting back together.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But I can relate to a lot of the same stuff (we were just a different brand of outcasts) & I got along with the band nerds just fine.
I definitely did not get straight-A's ... but I could've if I'd cared enough to.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)You're welcome at our cafeteria table, anyhow. BTW, are you holding, 'cause I'm running out?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)My next door neighbors are TOTAL stoners and I know 'em ... they have their med cards and stuff.
Pretty sure I could take care of ya if you're ever in the neighborhood MM
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)The price just got out of hand.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Same thing happened with me w/oxy's in the early 2000's. You'd be amazed how fast $90/day adds up
MissMillie
(38,583 posts)I played 3 different woodwind instruments (one in concert band, one in jazz band, and one in woodwind ensemble).
I spent all my study halls in the band room, my lunch time, and almost every day after school....
I was a good in academics, but I excelled in music. I even auditioned for regional HS orchestras and always made it.
I was in the chorus too. I always participated in the HS musical productions, but I never got a lead. It was pretty customary for the seniors to get their pick of roles in the musical, but I didn't. I got a letter from one of the directors telling me I was too fat. Nice, eh?
Walked away from chorus after that. Somehow was voted "most valuable chorus" that year, and won a very small scholarship from the local women's group--for music.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)People passing me in their cars would all say, "I bet you wish you'd played clarinet!" and act like they were the first person to come up with that.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)where I did, and we'd sometimes get together and practice. We tried the boyfriend/girlfriend thing, but it didn't last long, so we went back to just being friends.
mcar
(42,388 posts)3 years middle school, 4 years high school and independent ensembles. Now 22, he works in IT and spent the past summer on tour with a drum & bugle corps. He's just been invited to tour Europe this summer with another d&b corps.
I firmly believe band got my kid through high school. He hated it otherwise.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)hunter
(38,334 posts)I was a small skinny squeaky highly reactive kid who was constantly bullied.
In high school I learned how to be invisible. Whenever I wasn't invisible I was tortured and beaten bloody.
There were a few adults at high school who tortured me as well. People with fond memories of their own high school experiences were not helpful.
If I hadn't felt secure at home I might not have survived. A few of my friends and classmates didn't survive their teens and early twenties.
As a time traveler my advice to myself was "Run, you clever boy, and remember."
I stole that from Doctor Who's Clara.
My own children were straight "A" students, popular in high school, and band geeks as well. They are now successful adults living their own adventures.
I'm a very lucky fellow.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You're not alone in quitting HS being a good decision, wish I'd done it at 16. I worked during HS, both outside as a motel maid and at school, which cut badly into social time and set me up for another way to be set apart than just being one of the poor kids. (You can imagine how I appreciated Gingrich's suggestion that poor kids should be taught to work by having to clean bathrooms in return for lunch.) I was very fortunate to seldom be actually unhappy, though, and life was less traumatic than just very limited compared to the usual stories.
But like you I dropped out, got a full-time job in a casino, new adult friends from many backgrounds and broader horizons, and the world just opened up. For me, "dumping" the rigid HS hierarchy and adolescence (or so I thought) for a big, adult world at 17 was amazingly liberating. Those who worked in that world were the winners, but we partied and talked about the coming revolution all the time anyway.
Not everyone I knew survived either, of course. Drugs flowed free everywhere, and then of course this was 1969 and for most of the boys I'd known graduation meant Vietnam. 50 years ago. God.
brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)Marching band, concert band, jazz band, chorus band and a regional band. Played trumpet and baritone, which ever was needed more.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)We also had an outstanding tuba player who switched from trumpet. He was good on the trumpet, and the band director talked him into switching. He helped improve the rest of the tuba players at the same time. Smart move on the band director's part. It was a lot like moving me from second chair clarinet to the oboe. I learned quickly and made the transition pretty easily.
When I was in the eighth grade, the high school's bass clarinetist got sick just before a band competition. I had fooled around with the bass clarinet in the band room, so the band director (same for both bands) got me out of class, put me on bass clarinet for a week in the high school band and I got to go to the competition with the high school kids. One of the pieces the band played had a bass clarinet solo at the very beginning of the piece. Lots of pressure. But I pulled it off OK.
I also played tenor sax in a rock band with some other band geeks. We were actually not too bad, really.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)My high school debate coach was my civics/English teacher. I followed Watergate closely due to her and developed a love of politics.
I have developed a passion for voter protection and will be volunteering again this year. The Texas Democratic Party is staffing up and I just got an email from the new head asking to have a call next week (She got my name from four or five different sources).
This is a key election cycle and I have been active. Lawyers for Biden is also gearing up and we will be busy
Mersky
(4,986 posts)Was in color guard - so I could, once upon a time, throw that flag pretty high and in a few different styles.
Could play the sax well (with excessive practice) in junior high, but I wanted the choreography/dance and marching band type interactions without all the time drain of drill team or instrument practice. Had to leave room for working at the pet store, Kung Fu practice, and attempting to play drums in a garage band. Lol, looking back, I have no idea how I did it all, complete with sneaking off to live music shows downtown, the beach, or hanging out as a regular drinking so-so coffee at the Kettle.
Were fine years with my high school friends (most of whom were in the band), as we were freakishly good at keeping up our grades while getting into all sorts of less-than-parentally-approved fun. If I was a little stuffy and meek before joining the marching band, that all went away as we were always up to something. Was good times being a band nerd.
TomSlick
(11,114 posts)Some years ago, I got the trombone out of the closet. (It took two days to clean.)
I worked for a while getting the chops back and then showed up to audition for a community band concert. I've been playing ever since. The band has a few retired band directors and a couple of retired professional musicians in the band but most of us are former HS band geeks who remembered how much we loved it.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)Is a wonderful thing. Ours was started in 1877. All men of course til the 70s. I started with them when I was 14. Now there 48 years (do the math!). My husband is principal trumpet, I think joining the band was one of the conditions that Id marry him. Im 1st chair alto sax and our business manager. My best friend is principal flute. I cant imagine life without the community band.
TomSlick
(11,114 posts)A couple of years ago, we had a bit of serendipity. We lost the gym at the local community college we had used for years as a practice hall. I thought we were in trouble but one of the local high schools heard of our being suddenly homeless and offered their band hall for our rehearsals.
We now have a much better rehearsal hall. Better yet, some of the high school kids are now playing with us. The kids are really good - we must have the first chairs from every section in the high school band. Since then, we've picked up more of the really good HS musicians from other area schools - seems the first-chair types talks to each other. Of course, the current crop of HS musicians will graduate and move on but I'm betting the next group of first-chair types will come along behind them.
The end result is that the age of the band runs from 16 to 86. The young folks and the old folks all learn from each other. The most important thing the young folks can learn is that band can be for life.
samplegirl
(11,504 posts)but had a lot of friends who were. The cool kids moved away and they are still snobs! Most are trump supporters on Facebook.
I had nothing in common with them then and I have even less in common with them today!
Ill take a bank geek any day!!!!
MontanaMama
(23,344 posts)and a musician...plays saxophone since 5th grade and piano since he was 7. For some odd reason, band is cool at Hellgate High School. Jazz band in particular where he plays keyboards. Maybe its the band director...I dont know...but those kids are considered artists and not nerds. The various programs are marketed in such a way that I wish I could go back and be in band again. Its kinda not fair...I was a band geek...played flute and piccolo at the same school where my kid goes. Anyway, when I was in high school, while I wasnt a super geek I definitely was not one of the cool kids...whenever I felt down about it, my dad would always point out that while it was hard to through that stuff, I was also learning social skills and coping mechanisms that kids that had it easier socially were not forced to learn. Looking back, I think he was right. That and there are hundreds of studies that prove that when a human plays music, their brains are stimulated in all areas simultaneously. Musicians are smart, and, as luck would have it for my son...they are cool too. We cant all be cheerleaders and football players, thank goodness.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Especially music in groups.
dameatball
(7,400 posts)broke and he actually just marched along in time and then after halftime he went back and picked up his drum. I have no idea what a better solution would have been. We still laugh about it.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)handmade34
(22,758 posts)if I had any musical ability
my claim to fame in HS was producing the "alternative" (underground) school newspaper
...we used mimeograph machines in those days in rural Michigan
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)All worked up again. LOL.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)The feeling is not mutual.
mac56
(17,574 posts)Staph
(6,253 posts)along with science club and math club.
Being in the band gives wonderful advantages in both high school and college that are not readily obvious. After summer band rehearsals and summer band camp, I started both high school and university with a built in group of friends, a knowledge of the layout of the campus and a confidence that I can survive this place!
bdjhawk
(420 posts)just like every other kid who was wearing braces when they decided to join the band. All of us sent to that one section and I still laugh thinking of the band photos with the entire clarinet section showing our braces as we smiled for the photo!! Band was a great experience!
jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)To me, the band geeks were the cool kids.
Zolorp
(1,115 posts)This was before the first Apple and IBM computers, too. Choices included TRS-80 and other similar very basic computers, or my route which was self assembled running a version of CP/M. Started with cassette tape, but moved to 5 1/4 inch single sided floppy drives as soon as I could.
Ilsa
(61,700 posts)Music and coding go together like turkey and dressing.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)For a couple of years, I gave free clarinet lessons to the daughter of a good friend. I helped her get a great start when she was in fifth grade, and she took that start and ran with it. As the only clarinet player in her band getting private lessons, she advanced much faster than her peers.
One of the most interesting lessons I remember, though, had us putting the clarinet aside. She was having problem with fractions in her arithmetic class. So, I helped her understand how to relate music to fractions. Whole notes, half notes, quarter notes, eighth notes, sixteenth notes, etc. I remember seeing the light come into her eyes when she got the connection.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Clarinet, flute and trumpet. Trips to Disneyland, etc.
I never missed a performance even when they played recorders.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)all those performances. In high school, though, we played a lot better. But, still...
derby378
(30,252 posts)Played alto sax in middle school, but a screaming band director took the joy out of that. It's all good, because our high school choir director was a genius while the high school band director turned out to be a child molester. Dodged a bullet there.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)Same choir director at both places, actually. All of the good band musicians could sing. They had a head start because they could already read music, so the choir director was always after the band kids to join the choir. For most, that was too much music for high school, since there was so much else to do. But, I didn't mind, so I did both.
In our small town, both the band director and the choir director were very good teachers and encouraging people. We were very lucky.
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Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)One morning I was more enthused than usual about singing and projecting rather strongly. All of a sudden the choir director slammed on the organ and shouted, "WHICH ONE OF YOU IS SINGING EXTREMELY FLAT???"
I was kinda subdued for the rest of my choir participation.
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)the choir director said to me, almost tearfully, "It's so sad that your voice will soon change." I didn't know what she meant until a couple of years later. I had to stop singing for a year, and ended up being a bass/baritone who could sing tenor, too, up to high A. The high school choir director and church choir director were very pleased. I got moved around to sing different parts frequently.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)But my parents were told that the fact that I had braces in fifth grade, when band started, would prevent me from playing any instrument..and girls didnt play drums. 🤬
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)That's really sad. Besides, girls do play percussion instruments. At least they do in schools where the band directory isn't an asshole.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)I think they had no clue what to do with an elementary school kid with braces in general. Very small town. Very backward. By the time we got to high school half the kids were playing with braces.
klook
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Not a picture of my high school Latin club, but it might as well be
So, yeah, I'm a geek. And a dork.
I was also on the Student Council for a bit, and generally made good grades (though I was too inconsistent to reach Honors Society level). I wasn't in the Radio Club, though -- that would have qualified me for an honorary lifetime pocket protector!
I played trumpet in the band, starting in jr. high. There were lots of great kids in band, and many who shared my dorky sense of humor. (Likewise Latin Club.) We had a lot of fun and learned a lot about teamwork, getting along with kids from varied cultural subgroups (one of the few opportunities in my school for students from different racial and socioeconomic backgrounds to hang out together on an equal footing), and collective creativity. And, oh yes, I learned to read music, too (after having been an ear-only pianist since childhood.)
I probably should have been a drummer, because I was always a rhythm nut, and I loved the cadences the drum section composed for our football game appearances -- super cool. But I was a ringleader in doing head arrangements of things like popular TV and movie themes for us to horse around with during rehearsals, and harmless idiocy like playing tunes on our detached mouthpieces during gametime lulls -- thus simultaneously annoying and amusing our band director!
Concert band was another story -- there we got to play pieces by composers like Holst, Rossini, Wagner, and Tchaikovsky (the 1812 Overture was a real highlight).
It was a great experience, and one I advocate for any kid with a musical bent. Today I get together with friends and play music sometimes (though my meager trumpet chops have long since faded).
too busy playing the seasonal sports to be interested in band. You could barely hear them at halftime when whichever coach was reaming our butts out for some perceived shortcoming from the first half. The first time I really heard the band was a couple years after graduated when I went back for a game. They weren't bad.