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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI haven't posted for several days and I have only looked in a few times. I don't know when
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or even if that will change. This post may get canned because I'm sure some won't think it appropriate.
I genuinely do not like to say unkind things and I hesitate to add to the negativity here, but I also don't like ignoring reality. Add to these my lifetime aversion to abiding fools and my absence from DU this past week is easily understood.
We are no longer a community of mostly like-minded people striving to rise above the well-funded bullshit and devise ways to make our country---and the world---a better place. We seem to have devolved into a strident circular firing squad of trolls, cultists and fanboys. Some of the posts are disingenuous, some are willfully ignorant and some out and out lies worthy of the White House. And, as I read some of the incredibly negative right-wing propaganda that is sometimes not just posted but enthusiastically defended when confronted with the facts, I have to ask why I am doing this to myself; why am I sitting here again reading while my stomach turns and my blood pressure spikes?
Most who bother to read this will understand that my rant is not directed at them. Most, I believe, have at least occasionally shared my dismay about the current "ambience" here. But, some---including some who I'd never heard of until recently---sow division and enmity while paying lip-service to party unity; some knowingly (IMHO) repeat rightwing memes; and, others amuse themselves by sidelining serious policy discussions by picking at nits real and invented.
So, I will continue to kibbitz now and then and post occasionally, but I need some time to heal. In the past several days, I have reread "The Prophet" and "On Bullshit" and am into Book II of Plato's "Republic": literary therapy.
Vote Blue, No Matter Who!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Some people seem unable to distinguish imperfect friends from mortal enemies.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I hadn't seen that post previously
MontanaMama
(23,313 posts)George has it handled however.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)And I have fewer than 3000 posts.
I've spent years as a lurker, with occasional spurts of activity. I have a huge ignore list here.
Let me just say I know what you are talking about. (Hence the reason for the huge ignore list.) Keep posting -- I have noticed your posts and really appreciate your contributions to this site.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)except the ignore list.
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)Though this one is definitely approaching critical mass.
I know that doesn't help, but the whole reason why a Primaries forum even exists is because this happens every cycle, and DU (quite smartly, in my opinion) decided that it should be quarantined in its own little hive as to not infect the rest of the site.
If you want a respite from 99% of the nonsense but still want to remain part of the community, trash the Primaries forum for a while. I haven't been smart enough to do that yet (I generally end up just leaving for months at a time), but many, many people have said it transforms the experience.
"incredibly negative right-wing propaganda"
There is certainly plenty of that, but as you also noted, there is also a lot of overt disruption and intentional ignorance from some very prolific posters -- some who have been here for a very long time -- who are ostensibly supporters of some of our candidates, but seem to be intent on doing more harm to their favorites than good. I'm not sure if that's worse or better than the right-wing propaganda, but it without a doubt is contributing to the environment.
"Vote Blue, No Matter Who!"
Always.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)Synonyms: babble, blab, cackle, chaffer [British], chat, chatter, chin [slang], converse, gab, gabble, gas, jabber, jaw, natter, palaver, patter, prate, prattle, rap, rattle, run on, schmooze (or shmooze), talk, twitter, visit
A "kibbutz" is an Israeli farm.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... insane outside the primaries forum. I only venture into that cesspool occasionally. And as bad as it is now, Im pretty confident that liberals will unite against Тяцмр come November. If we cant get it together to run his orange ass out on a rail ... well, Im not sure I want to consider what that would mean for the country.
Your posts here are appreciated by more DUers than you might think. Keep the faith.
yonder
(9,664 posts)referenced in post #1, I don't know what to say.
A couple of weeks ago and for the first time, I trashed a DU forum, the DP forum my time here has been better.
Just now, also for the first time, I have put a DUer on ignore a nameless soul making their mark in that same referenced post.
Still, hang in there.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Hekate
(90,674 posts)ramen
(790 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)Keeps me focused.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)as far as who I want to be president. I have noticed way too many fervent supporters of one candidate go way, way overboard attacking another candidate in a rightwingish way, using rightwing talking points. I survive by populating my very large ignore list. I just wish that list worked on threads also.
mahina
(17,651 posts)Im so sorry to hear that its caused you such distress. A word of suggestion I steer clear of the primaries tab entirely and Im much happier for it. I hope you feel much better soon.
All of your books suggestions sound extremely helpful in the moment
Duppers
(28,120 posts)It's my way of coping here.
Hekate
(90,674 posts)...a bunch of us spent 8 years in the BOG. I swear, the folks who complain about "bashing" and "hatred" of their hero every time someone says boo have no idea.
We lose a lot of good people each time, and that's sad. But at one point I started counting how many I'd actually miss if I quit entirely, I ran out of fingers and toes and decided to just take vacations.
I just trashed a whole forum. We'll see how that works.
For you, definitely take mental health breaks. I'd hate to lose you too.
orleans
(34,051 posts)after hearing thom hartmann talk about it. maybe check it out. (i don't go into primaries very often--it seems it's a lot of... i'm just not comfortable in there)
anyway, thanks for posting what you did
"ABOUT THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE WAR ON VOTING
Hartmanns history of voter suppression in America is necessary information given current news about voter registration purges and redistricting
a particularly timely topic for an election year, and anyone who is seriously concerned about the survival of American democracy will want to read this book and apply its lessons.Booklist
"Americas #1 progressive radio host looks at how elites have long tried to disenfranchise citizensparticularly people of color, women, and the poorand shows what we can do to ensure everyone has a voice in this democracy.
"In todays America, only a slim majority of people register to vote, and a large percentage of registered voters dont bother to show up: Donald Trump was elected by only 26 percent of eligible voters. Unfortunately, this is not a bug in our system, its a feature. Thom Hartmann unveils the strategies and tactics that conservative elites in this country have used, from the foundation of the Electoral College to the latest voter ID laws, to protect their interests by preventing the wrong peoplesuch as the poor, women, and people of colorfrom voting while making it more convenient for the wealthy and white. But he also lays out a wide variety of simple, commonsense ways that we the people can fight back and reclaim our right to rule through the ballot box.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/617256/the-hidden-history-of-the-war-on-voting-by-thom-hartmann/
druidity33
(6,446 posts)called The Just City by Jo Walton. It's Fantasy Fiction, but based on the idea of creating The Republic in a real place and time. It did make me want to re-read Plato. Thought I might start with the Dialogues...
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)because a great many people are doing really well under Trump. And, conversely, a great many people arent doing well at all. The Democratic Party itself is full of haves, and have nots. So, theres some conflict there.
Just my 2c.