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Informed consent and informed refusal are cornerstones of medical ethics. Theyre also constitutional rights. A person can even refuse life-saving medical treatment. Doctors who ignore competent patients when they refuse medical treatment have committed a criminal assault.
But some doctors are ignoring this fundamental right when they treat women. According to several investigative reports, doctors are performing pelvic exams on women without their consent, and often against their will, when they go in for surgery. The practice doesnt just apply to women who have gynecologic surgeries. A woman who goes in for a tonsillectomy or gallbladder removal might be subjected to a doctor probing around in her vagina, and never even know it.
The New York Times details the story of an Arizona nurse who checked into a hospital for stomach surgery. She told her doctor she did not want students involved in her procedure. After she awoke, doctors told her she had gotten her period. They knew because they had performed an invasive pelvic exam without her permission. Another woman told a hospital that she did not consent to a pelvic exam during routine, non-gynecological surgery. The hospital told her she had to consent to the surgery, and that if she didnt, she should seek care elsewhere.
These incidents are not anomalous. At teaching hospitals across the country, students practice pelvic exams by performing them on unconscious women, even when those women do not consent or specifically state that they do not want an exam. Most women never know that they have been violated. But some, like science teacher Sarah Wright, report complications such as pelvic pain.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/26/1922213/-Doctors-Are-Examining-the-Vaginas-of-Unconscious-Women-Without-Their-Consent?detail=emaildkcc
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I woke up to one of the doctors rubbing his hands up the insides of my legs. It was hella creepy. When he saw I was awake, all he did was put the covers back over my legs and acted like nothing happened.
I can't imagine how horrible it would be to wake up and find out they did a full pelvic exam, maybe even with students present, without my consent. That should be against the law unless a woman is informed and for some reason is ok* with them doing that while she is asleep.
*although I cannot imagine any woman being ok with or consenting to that, while she is asleep or knocked out.
at140
(6,110 posts)Making sexual overtures with a non-responsive body...is necrophilia.
genxlib
(5,526 posts)Med Schools charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for an education and they can't pay a few people to be willing subjects for some of the most sensitive learning that needs to be taught? I don't get it. Wouldn't an awake practice patient make a better subject anyway?
Any of the other examples that are not related to teaching or care are just straight up sexual assaults.
ariadne0614
(1,727 posts)I would be interested to hear what the men of DU have to say about this. An obvious question is, what if it was your wife, daughter, or anyone else you may love and cherish? Another one is, what if your own genitalia were subjected to non-consensual examination?
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)First let me say I had read this story several weeks ago and was disgusted at the thought of it then.
Since that time my opinion has not changed.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)It was while I was in college.
Sick ppl are sick ppl - professions notwithstanding.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)that liked to do pelvics. Unnecessary pelvics.
There are some doctors who are real pervs.
Staph
(6,251 posts)who has received her care from a teaching hospital. I get regular pelvic exams (four times a year or so) to check for return of the cancer, and there are almost always students in the room, participating in the exam. WITH. MY. PERMISSION. Students have to learn on real humans, and I don't mind being that person.
I can not imagine being given a pelvic by anyone while unconscious. That is horrifying.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)Perverted Doctors. Don't be afraid to edit in favor of honesty!