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Two troublesome omissions in Clinton's speech (Original Post) boomerbust Sep 2012 OP
one thing about dems - we can find all sorts of clouds behind the silver linings rurallib Sep 2012 #1
And don't forget awaiting the darkest hour before that dawn and lunatica Sep 2012 #5
Is it 1996? nt SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #2
Unfortunately, no. The unions were stronger then. Demit Sep 2012 #3
the entire damn convention was a love letter to organized labor... progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #17
In the state with the lowest union membership of all fifty. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #19
Sorry to just get back to you. Please note, I said standard-bearers. The big guys. Demit Sep 2012 #21
seriously? WooWooWoo Sep 2012 #4
TPP- Nafta on steroids. hay rick Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #7
Yep. We know why. People have amnesia about NAFTA right now. I guess because of Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #8
NAFTA was only part of it. Technology was also a big factor. randome Sep 2012 #11
Clinton did indeed sign NAFTA. However, it had been developed under Bush 1; they had been.... northoftheborder Sep 2012 #12
he also ommitted cutting toenails and joy riding nt msongs Sep 2012 #9
And my pony....he forgot the DAMN PONY! nt FLyellowdog Sep 2012 #10
I'm still pissed about my unicorn not showing up. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #16
I forgot about the unicorn...he forgot the DAMN UNICORN! Thanks.nt FLyellowdog Sep 2012 #20
Unless it was to apologize Union Scribe Sep 2012 #13
And Repeal of Glass-Steagal Act! ErikJ Sep 2012 #14
Oh dear god... every speaker CANNOT hit every point!! progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #15
Right.... RichGirl Sep 2012 #18

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
1. one thing about dems - we can find all sorts of clouds behind the silver linings
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:09 PM
Sep 2012

ETA - did anyone else not mention these subjects also. Might as well condemn the whole lot.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. And don't forget awaiting the darkest hour before that dawn and
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:37 PM
Sep 2012

throwing up our hands that someone hasn't fix that when it keeps showing up.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
3. Unfortunately, no. The unions were stronger then.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:24 PM
Sep 2012

They are under assault now, as you know. Would've been nice if they'd gotten a shout-out from the party's standard-bearers.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
17. the entire damn convention was a love letter to organized labor...
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:32 PM
Sep 2012

were you in the bathroom for all of the other speeches that talked about teachers, firefighters, steelworkers, auto workers, nurses, etc.???

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. In the state with the lowest union membership of all fifty.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 12:06 AM
Sep 2012

At least according to the bureau of labor statistics.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

Among states, New York continued to have the highest union membership
rate (24.1 percent) and North Carolina again had the lowest rate
(2.9 percent).
 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
21. Sorry to just get back to you. Please note, I said standard-bearers. The big guys.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:42 PM
Sep 2012

Clinton & Obama. You really don't have to be snide.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
4. seriously?
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:34 PM
Sep 2012

Clinton gave probably the best convention speech ever...like...in history, and you're complaining he didn't re-hash an issue from 18 years ago?

Some people really are never happy.

hay rick

(7,621 posts)
6. TPP- Nafta on steroids.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:45 PM
Sep 2012

Sadly, there seems to be a bipartisan consensus on the Trans Pacific Partnership. Neither party wants to talk about it.

Response to boomerbust (Original post)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. Yep. We know why. People have amnesia about NAFTA right now. I guess because of
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:05 PM
Sep 2012

the nostalgia of Clinton, and his help is needed, and he is beloved.

But he did indeed do NAFTA and start the outsourcing ball rolling. And he was warned, we were all warned, what NAFTA would do. Which it has done.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. NAFTA was only part of it. Technology was also a big factor.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:03 PM
Sep 2012

Society is in a perpetual state of upheaval now. Who knows where it will lead us?

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
12. Clinton did indeed sign NAFTA. However, it had been developed under Bush 1; they had been....
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:10 PM
Sep 2012

....debating it for years, and the weaknesses threshed out and debated, especially about environmental concerns, workers' rights, etc... Clinton had promised in his campaign that he would make changes pertaining to those things. I'm not sure now just what changes, if any, were made, and it finally did go through under his signature. He cannot be blamed for thinking up and developing the whole thing. Too many people, R & D wanted it, it was already developed and in motion when he came into office. I think few people realized what the full ramifications of the trade deal were going to be. That's a very brief synopsis of how it went through, books could be written, and probably have been about the whole story.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
15. Oh dear god... every speaker CANNOT hit every point!!
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:31 PM
Sep 2012

Seriously... I swear you can't please everyone. The 99% of the other speeches were HEAVY in referencing labor and unions. Why did you think that that most of the crowd shots showed the UAW signs waving like crazy???

RichGirl

(4,119 posts)
18. Right....
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
Sep 2012

And he should have finished with...I did not have sexual relations with that woman.......Miss Lewinski.....

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