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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPotential VP nominee questions
I keep hearing Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams and Val Demings - great options all the way around. And, maybe Klobuchar or Warren as well.
But, that left me wondering - do we have a similar lineup of impressive women of Latin American descent? Rep. Sylvia Garcia was an impeachment manager. But, even she is not nearly as high profile as Harris, Abrams and even Demings.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)from one ethnic background, others from another. For me the key word is "impressive". Selecting prospective candidates by gender and ethnicity sounds a lot like sexism and racism to me.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)about the top Latin American women we have that are governors, lt governors and in Congress. They don't seem to get as much publicity as African American women.
I like diversity in the party and I see a lot of high profile African Americans, but not as many of HIspanic descent outside of AOC. Castro could barely get 1% in the primaries.
panader0
(25,816 posts)She's west coast, while all remaining candidates are east coast.
I grew to have a lot of respect for Klobuchar too.
Stacy Abrams definitely has a future in the party. The VP needs to be female,
and I think Kamala balances the ticket quite well.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)sexism, it's just political common sense!
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Harris is not needed to deliver it.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)We're not going to have a problem getting votes in California. A pick from the mid west or south would be better. I still would like to see Buttigieg.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Sanders camp is seeing the writing on the wall, the entire country is rallying around Joe.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)A lot on the left here issues with Harris record as a prosecutor.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)So, with that it mind, which candidates will draw out the strategic numbers that we need to create a blue wave thats so large, that Trumpism is carried out to sea; drowned for good!
All the while, with this election the party must turn the reigns over to the next generation for the good of the party and the country. Women, AAPI, Black, Brown, LGBTQ - otherwise were going to have an internal war!
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Which is why there might be better candidates for VP than Harris.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)It SHOULD have happened with THIS election, but unfortunately the stakes are too high. I would have loved to see Mayor Pete as our president. He would have fit so well on the world stage, with the other young leaders like Trudeau and Macron.
There has to be a NEW democratic establishment, both here and abroad. Ours has done enough damage.
I would love to see Mayor Pete as VP, but (strangely enough) he could negate the willingness of the AA community to support Biden. Ironic, since it would in essence be a "religious core base" negating support for a vp that is religious, but gay.
It would also be the core AA base from the past, doing it. That would be disastrous for the party, so let's not go there. That means we need a new democratic establishment ACROSS THE BOARD, including in the AA community.
I believe balance does require both a male and a female on our team this time around. It may not be absolutely essential, but the risk is too high. We need to play it safe (we are already doing so with Biden). The dingleberries aren't going to vote for a woman anyhow, so who gives a shit what they think. Women voters would like Stacy, and the AA community would like Stacy. Those are two HUGH! blocks of voters.
Stacy could help out with carrying Georgia, and the entire south's AA vote. I believe she is the black equivalent of Pete in the smart, articulate, charismatic vein. She has a future.
But so does Pete. When the time comes, President Abrams could pick Mayor Pete as HER VP. Then VP Pete could step into a role he was trained to fill.
Sounds like a plan...
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,651 posts)and the VP selection is usually not an issue for the primary. Besides, CA already voted in that.
Not to say Sen Harris would not be a good selection. We have to balance out Senate power with how goes to the White House.
Besides, I think she'd be a dynamite AG.
wiley
(2,921 posts)Would be great.
Wounded Bear
(58,651 posts)Polybius
(15,407 posts)It' deep, deep, blue.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)But CAs going to the Dem no matter what. Lots of reasons to pick her, but delivering CA? Not a huge concern.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)this election, with whoever is the nominee or the VP pick, we'll be shellacked in the rest of the country.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)It's in the blue column regardless of who the VP pick is.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)to mend rifts between the party and work together. What better way than the choose a V from other end of the spectrum and craft a brilliant and unified platform There is no need for P and VP to be matchy-matchy in their politics - in fact now is the time to think outside the box and commit to whatever it takes to present a strong, unified stance.
I just picked Warren and Klobuchar for illustration purposes - theres any no. of other qualified folks Im sure - need to read up on Abrams and Demings so cant comment on that in any kind of informed way.
lastlib
(23,226 posts)...but another consideration is, how many voters would the nominee bring to the ticket. Would a very progressive VP bring in Sanders voters, but scare off moderates/independents/NevertRumper repubs? Or would a centrist like, say, Amy K., bring in those voters while alienating Sanders voters? Who brings the most voters in, particularly in the very key battleground states? We don't need Kamala Harris to carry California, but Amy might sway enough voters in Wisconsin to move it to the D column.
We shall see, as they say.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Cant risk taking Warren out of the Senate.
getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)When dukakis ran, there was a rrepublican governor. Schizo state.
In MA, dems have veto proof majorities in both houses. For dukakis, they passed a bill that forced any senate vacancies to a special election. They switched it back, but they can do it all over again.
Yes, we occasionally lose senate seats, but it is possible/likely we will keep it. It's not a sure loss.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)when a GOP controlled Senate could block anything a Democratic President wants to do?
Zorro
(15,740 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, do Democrats need two white men at this time?
Wounded Bear
(58,651 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)I know that some progressives detest Harris for many of the same reasons they hated Klobuchar (i.e. "she's a cop" ) but she would be a solid choice for Biden and she would be a tough campaigner against Trump. And her seat would be easily replaceable since she in California. One of the things I was worried about with Warren is that her Senate seat would have been filled by a Republican if she won the Presidency.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)is my choice - her and Pelosi would get good shit done.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)himself be majority leader if we take back the senate.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)to a request from a president elect Biden, but I agree that he most likely would not step down without getting someting in return.
Initech
(100,070 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Sure would make Pence uncomfortable. It's kind of hard to use Christianity as an excuse for homophobia when dealing with Buttigieg.
Initech
(100,070 posts)I'm not saying that in a negative context. I am saying that with as rampant as homophobia is in this country, if he were the VP nominee, the dems would get laughed at out of the general election. I think Mayor Pete should still be in the cabinet in some form but not as VP.
IMO, Warren I think is the strongest VP candidate choice that we have given her years of experience. She would be the one to bring the hardcore Sanders supporters over should Biden be the nominee, and can bridge the gap between Bernie Bros and Dem purists, should Sanders be the nominee.
That's my two cents.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Seems to me we are making progress for LGBT issues but backsliding when it comes to women's issues.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,340 posts)Not unless his wife was standing between them.
He's an odd person.
Polybius
(15,407 posts)She would be absolutely fantastic if Biden gets the nomination. They are also pretty similar on views, and get along. We owe it to her for what has happened to this poor woman. 2016 still bothers me.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)There's lots of other people to pick from. That would be a bad idea to pick her as a vp. We don't need a vp candidate with baggage from the last election with Trump. I'd hope he'd pick someone younger than her too.
Initech
(100,070 posts)getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)In 8 years, she wouldn't be in a position to assume the re-election effort. A vp gets a definate boost.
Choose someone younger, like Michelle Obama.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)wishstar
(5,269 posts)and over many of the females being considered too.
lamp_shade
(14,831 posts)getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)We really need to get away from such old candidates. I'm old too, but this is a hard job and we see what happens when someone tweets it in.....
lamp_shade
(14,831 posts)Polybius
(15,407 posts)In the past 150 years, only one VP has been directly elected president. That was George HW Bush in 1988.
old guy
(3,283 posts)Don't take a Senator out that could cost us a majority.
Polybius
(15,407 posts)Then they'll appoint another Democrat.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)in Charlie Baker
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)Is that our nation is still so uncivilized as to have a bunch of liberals trying to decide what race or gender would help the odds of winning the election, rather than who are the best two people in the nation we could put in the offices. We still have a long way to go. I don't claim to be any more advanced, I have been studying on what black woman that I think would make a great president......
The Republicans don't have those kinds of problems. They only want to have the most crooked bastard in the country in the front office, and any incompetent, nodding bootlicker in the No. 2 spot. No need for them to worry about women or blacks; their voters would have like it.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I was just wondering why when potential VPs are mentioned, it's mostly African American and White women and not women of Hispanic descent or Asian descent.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)dem4decades
(11,288 posts)Is ready on day 1, especially with an older President.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)none of them would be ready or would have been ready to step in to be president.
Abrams is very smart and will do a fine job if it comes to that.
dem4decades
(11,288 posts)swing voters having confidence.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Former Representive, and now Governor of New Mexico, Michelle Lujan Grisham
Nevada Senator Catherine Cortez Masto