Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

goclark

(30,404 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:44 AM Sep 2012

Obama's 'Gone to Great Lengths' to Keep Gas Prices High, Ryan Says ????


"..."This is not just something that squeezes family budgets, it squeezes businesses," Ryan answered. "It also gives us a bad foreign policy in that we are so dependent on other countries for our oil imports, it's the biggest part of our trade deficit and so what's frustrating about the Obama administration's policies are they've gone to great lengths to make oil and gas more expensive."


http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-gone-great-lengths-keep-gas-prices-high-021120882--abc-news-politics.html
42 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Obama's 'Gone to Great Lengths' to Keep Gas Prices High, Ryan Says ???? (Original Post) goclark Sep 2012 OP
The man is incapable of telling the truth. Scuba Sep 2012 #1
How anyone could believe goclark Sep 2012 #5
A variation on "Drill Baby Drill" banned from Kos Sep 2012 #2
Those facts would interfere with the campaign/debate/discussion the republican jp11 Sep 2012 #4
Lyan never allows facts to get in the way of his malaise Sep 2012 #3
You've got your political parties confused there shithead. lpbk2713 Sep 2012 #6
I was wondering why the media stopped covering him BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #7
reported my first post on Yahoo Mutt22 Sep 2012 #8
Welcome to DU goclark Sep 2012 #15
Thanks!! n/t Mutt22 Sep 2012 #20
Was Ryan one of those predicting $5/gallon gas by Memorial Day 2012? zbdent Sep 2012 #9
Good question goclark Sep 2012 #11
I thought the President had no control over gas prices. Pool Hall Ace Sep 2012 #10
They're blaming Sherrodd Brown in Ohio lately ... zbdent Sep 2012 #18
You are so right ~ President Obama doesn't have goclark Sep 2012 #21
Not so. They think he controls the weather. sad sally Sep 2012 #22
President Obama said flyguyjake Sep 2012 #34
Check today's Doonesbury Freddie Sep 2012 #12
Really. How many Romney donors were busted in April? sofa king Sep 2012 #13
Blogger is available. nt abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #35
I'll take "Quotes from Pathological Liars" for $400, Alex. RagAss Sep 2012 #14
Typical straw man / projection tactic. ananda Sep 2012 #16
It's like a sauna in here. JTFrog Sep 2012 #17
Proof positive that all the nuts are not in the candy bars. goclark Sep 2012 #31
Priceless!!! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2012 #32
Knee Jerk Bullshit... KharmaTrain Sep 2012 #19
Like cheap gas is somehow a right under The Constitution. freethought Sep 2012 #23
Agreed. Nobody has a "right" to cheap gas....and not just America, either. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #25
The funny thing is abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #36
I wonder if the length was 26 miles. n/t gulliver Sep 2012 #24
Yes he is, and he can't wait till Politicalboi Sep 2012 #26
Wait did a democrat blow up a refinery? Was this reported? lonestarnot Sep 2012 #27
Wait a minute ... surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #28
Obama doesn't have friends in the oil industry. Unlike Dubya. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #29
Oil Speculation is funding the Ryan Romney campaign RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #30
Actually gas was higher under Bush. As a truck driver B Calm Sep 2012 #33
Assuming Obama did control gas prices... Terra Alta Sep 2012 #37
The last thing they want to do is Think goclark Sep 2012 #42
No Ryan, you asswipe - Charles and David Koch have gone to great lengths to keep gas prices high. Initech Sep 2012 #38
My bet he is on their payroll goclark Sep 2012 #39
hey ryan, leave america alone. there is enough dishonesty without your BS spanone Sep 2012 #40
Just the sight of him goclark Sep 2012 #41

goclark

(30,404 posts)
5. How anyone could believe
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:56 AM
Sep 2012

this idiot is beyond me!

He is a "ZERO."

I love it ~ R and R = "Zero and Zero." ..... or RRZZ

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
2. A variation on "Drill Baby Drill"
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:48 AM
Sep 2012

which we have ratcheted up 300% since Obama took office.

But they won't admit that.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
4. Those facts would interfere with the campaign/debate/discussion the republican
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:53 AM
Sep 2012

party needs to have in order to put the real President Obama out of office, only be using the fictional version they make up can they have any chance of selling their lies.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
6. You've got your political parties confused there shithead.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:58 AM
Sep 2012



It's your party that worships Big Oil and does their best to fatten their profit margin.


BumRushDaShow

(129,057 posts)
7. I was wondering why the media stopped covering him
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 08:58 AM
Sep 2012

for the past week. It's because every time he opens his Pandora's box mouth, all manner of demonic evil issues forth, and they rush to muzzle him again.

Mutt22

(76 posts)
8. reported my first post on Yahoo
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:06 AM
Sep 2012

Spineless illiterate coward calling Obama a "kneegar..we should vote his arrs out". Looks like someone is on the ball too because it is gone.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
11. Good question
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:26 AM
Sep 2012

He must think he has a crystal ball...I. don't get it.
Is Sarah P. his advisor ???

goclark

(30,404 posts)
21. You are so right ~ President Obama doesn't have
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:53 PM
Sep 2012

a dimes worth of control over Oil Prices and they know that ~

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
34. President Obama said
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:34 AM
Sep 2012

that even if he released oil reserves into the system that prices would only drop a few cents.

I don't believe the Pres has any control over gas prices.

Here's the break down;

Taxes: 13 cents
Distribution and Marketing: 8 cents
Refining: 14 cents
Crude oil: 65 cents

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
13. Really. How many Romney donors were busted in April?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 09:29 AM
Sep 2012
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/17/markets/obama-oil-speculators/index.htm

Are there any actual fucking journalists left in America? Here's how you do your job: find the list of the 300 oil speculators who face charges, match them against donor lists, and report.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
19. Knee Jerk Bullshit...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:09 AM
Sep 2012

Pinocchio Munster knows that the President doesn't control the price of oil...it's done on the international market. Now would Lyin' Ryan favor a bill to put the clampers on the speculation of oil futures that DO determine the price? I'd like to see his votes (and I'm hoping one of those evil, nasty fact checkers has already looked at his record to see how he's voted in opening up the strategic reserve to lower prices.

This is pandering as usual...how the Rmoney campaign can and will run. They'll find any bit of bad news and try to pin it on President Obama despite their own hypocrisies and lack of any realistic policies of their own. The only game here is to make as many people hate President Obama as they can. Their only hope...

freethought

(2,457 posts)
23. Like cheap gas is somehow a right under The Constitution.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:08 PM
Sep 2012

In one respect he is right, higher fuel prices do put a squeeze on family budgets. However I tire of hearing the right-wing argument that we "entitled" to cheap gasoline, as if it's some sort of right guarenteed by the Constitution, or better yet, God. It is none of the above! Cheap gas is not a right and we are not entitled to it from anyone or anything. With China and India wanting cars then the price of gas is only going to go higher. We could drill domestically until the country looks like Swiss cheese. We would not be able to meet domestic demand for fuel with all domestic petroleum resources.

When gas prices go up it does have the effect of getting people to think about the driving they do and what they drive with. I personally don't think that is a bad thing.

If anything this should put some urgency on getting off of petroleum.

abumbyanyothername

(2,711 posts)
36. The funny thing is
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:37 AM
Sep 2012

we got started down the petroleum path, because we had so much of it.

And America prospered because we built an economy on an energy source that we had a lot of.

And we should do it again. Regardless of what the oil companies think.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
26. Yes he is, and he can't wait till
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:28 PM
Sep 2012

The price is $5.00 right before an election. That Obama sure is a sly one.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
29. Obama doesn't have friends in the oil industry. Unlike Dubya.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:32 PM
Sep 2012

Obama has no control over it. Eddie Munster might want to look a little closer at his pals in the RW who like to make money speculating on oil and such.

 
30. Oil Speculation is funding the Ryan Romney campaign
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:55 PM
Sep 2012


Koch Brothers introduced speculation.

October 6, 1986: First oil derivative is introduced to Wall Street by traders at Koch. Koch Industries executive Lawrence Kitchen devised the “first ever oil-indexed price swap between Koch Industries and Chase Manhattan Bank.” At the time, such derivatives had been limited to currency markets, and the shift of creating a synthetic financial instrument based on the value of crude oil was revolutionary. For an agreed-upon period, an oil swap is a contract where one party makes payments based on a fixed oil price, and the other party makes payments back based on the changing spot price of oil. In July of 2009, EnergyRisk magazine, a publication for commodity traders, posted a piece exploring the very first oil derivatives and Koch’s role in developing them.

– 1990-1992: Koch, along with several oil companies and Wall Street speculators, form a coalition lobbying group to deregulate oil speculation. A coalition called “The Energy Group” is organized to press the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) to allow oil derivatives to be traded off the NYMEX or any other regulated exchange. Participants in the coalition include Koch, Enron, Phibro (a powerful commodity speculator firm recently sold from Citigroup to Occidental Petroleum), J. Aron & Co (a commodity trading division of Goldman Sachs), BP, and other companies.

– January 21, 1993. Wendy Gramm makes first major move to deregulate oil speculation. “On the final day of the Bush administration, January 21, 1993, Wendy Gramm … approved the rule exempting key energy futures contracts from government regulation and returned a great chunk of the energy market to the grand old days of unregulated futures trading,” writes author Antonia Juhasz in the book Tyranny of Oil. The move mirrored the demands made by Koch’s lobbying coalition, The Energy Group. Gramm, the wife of then-Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX), leaves the Commodity Futues Trading Commission and a month later joins the board of directors of Enron.

– December 12, 2000: Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX), after being lobbied by Koch and Enron, creates the infamous “Enron Loophole” vastly deregulating the oil speculation market. On the night of December 12, 2000, Gramm attaches a 262-page amendment to the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, which is then attached to an omnibus spending bill that is signed into law by President Clinton before leaving office. The Gramm amendment, which received absolutely no public scrutiny or committee hearings, radically expands and codifies the energy deregulation agenda began by Gramm’s wife during the first Bush administration.


Koch Brothers are making a killing on oil speculation.


Forbes: Koch Brothers Now Worth $50 Billion | Forbes estimates that Tea Party petrochemical scions Charles and David Koch have a fortune of $25 billion each, making them the fourth richest Americans, behind only Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Larry Ellison. Their combined wealth of $50 billion is exceeded only by the Microsoft founder’s $59 billion fortune. Buoyed by aggressive speculative trading on volatile energy markets, the Koch brothers accumulated $15 billion in wealth since March 2010, a 43 percent increase.




And these shameless hypocrites blame Obama, once again...
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
33. Actually gas was higher under Bush. As a truck driver
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:31 AM
Sep 2012

I remember five dollar a gallon diesel under Bush.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
37. Assuming Obama did control gas prices...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:37 AM
Sep 2012

why the hell would he cause them to go up right in the midst of his re-election campaign?? God, do Republicans ever think things through??

goclark

(30,404 posts)
42. The last thing they want to do is Think
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 06:35 AM
Sep 2012

They truly believe tha they are entitled to say whatever they want to and they think they are entitled to change their position again and again.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
38. No Ryan, you asswipe - Charles and David Koch have gone to great lengths to keep gas prices high.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 12:50 AM
Sep 2012

God, will these freaks ever see the light? The billionaire grifters are bankrupting us and getting away with it. Ryan should just wear a jacket with a Koch Industries logo on it at all times, he should be on their payroll.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Obama's 'Gone to Great Le...