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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom KOMO news (WA): "180 employees had been working here, 70 are now showing symptoms"
Were expecting daily briefings every day at 1 p.m. now. Numbers are changing quickly, says staff is limited right now. 180 employees had been working here, 70 are now showing COVID-19 symptoms. 120 residents had been here, 63 in facility now (6 w/ symptoms)
Link to tweet
pat_k
(9,313 posts)... other than employees and patients? People who visited the facility during critical weeks.
Given that a person self-identified as one of those visitors was refused testing, I have feeling there are no efforts to be proactive about it.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)And heres what I dont get about tracing people and their contacts: who exactly does that?? I mean, China and probably S Korea have done that, but in this country, where is the manpower to trace all the contacts *one* person has had, much less that 100 have had?
Hey, no need to reply, but Im really curious about how that works...hey, Ill try a google on it
Edit: well, an official does it (whoever that may be...a health department worker, I guess)
For that, you need the old-fashioned detective work of contact tracing.
It begins with an in-depth interview. An official sits down with a patient, and together, they reconstruct exactly where that person has been and with whom, day by day, hour by hour, for the entire window of potential contagion. The conversation often lasts hours. That would be having the case pull out their personal calendar, going through their phone, Burnsed said. They might even have to go through their social media feed to see where they were tagged and what they did, to kind of jog their memory.
The officials try to identify every single person who might have been unwittingly exposed to the pathogen. They start with family members and close friends but then, as Burnsed put it, the next level is identifying all of the contacts in shared airspaces. Did you go to restaurants? What time were you there? Did you go to work or school? Did you take your child to daycare? Did you go see a doctor?
Its already enough work to try to identify everyone who might have been at a hospital at the same time as that person pulling rosters of on-shift workers, asking for appointment times of other patients, trying to figure out if they were there with family members. Other public spaces can be harder, because there are less meticulous records of who was where when.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/01/speed-is-critical-as-coronavirus-spreads-in-u-s-officials-face-daunting-task-of-tracing-case-contacts/
rustydog
(9,186 posts)That would include family members and contact numbers in case of emergency situations.
Employee work schedules and where they worked in the facility is in records that can be reviewed by managers and administration.
the Department of health is involved and gets information on suspected victims, who visited, what level of risk are they in depending on age, medical condition, etc.
It is complicated but you can't just rush in to a testing facility in a panic because you "believe" you have coronavirus and demand a swab test. This has to be an orderly, reasonably administered response.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)It just seems like to me that the poor Dept of Health would run out of workers to do this tracing work, which isnt all that difficult, I dont think, but without enough workers to do it, cheeze, theyll just go bananas trying keep up
whewwww, best wishes to all
cwydro
(51,308 posts)At least thats a start.
But theyre not even trying.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 7, 2020, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)
... it shouldn't be too difficult to identify a large percentage of "secondary" contacts -- at least to compile a list so they can be contacted and tested, and monitored, when capacity allows it.
A couple of obvious things:
Have a hot line for visitors -- relatives, outside physicians, whoever -- to allow them to self-identify. Automated system of leaving name, patient visited, and contact information would be a good start. Can even have automated call back to confirm receipt and planned next steps so these people don't feel like they've just sent a message into a black hole. Prioritize people who visited a patient who has tested positive or died from coronavirus.
Have staff write down patient names and names of any frequent visitors to the patient they are aware of -- people most likely to have been there during critical exposure period. Cross reference those names with names listed as emergency contacts in patient's record. (A number of staff members at the facility my mother in law was knew and greeted me by name). Cross reference those identified with people who have self identified and put on a "master list" for follow-up.
Given that asymptotic people pass on the pathogen, and given that those people will not be self-quarantining, every possible effort must be made to identify those who have been exposed. And all those people should be tested and monitored -- symptoms or not.
Now, this stuff is just off the top of my head. I have no doubt there are "official" protocols for tracing and computer applications for compiling and prioritizing contacts.
Every case identified and quarantined reduces the number of contacts. It is the only way to reduce the number of people infected overall -- reduce the R zero and exponential spread -- and this reduces the ultimate burden on hospitals.
If all the focus is on increasing capacity to deal with severe cases, giving up on containment and tracing (which it appears is happening), we just end up with a lot more, and a lot more expensive, burden on hospitals and requirements for expensive "pop up" centers.
The big chunks of money being appropriated under state of emergency declarations and by state and local governing bodies, needs to be spent on both beefing up capacity to treat, and beefing up efforts to trace and contain.
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As far as running out of workers. Develop a top-notch sample collection training program and pass legislation that allows those certified to collect samples from people "in place" -- at their homes. Properly trained people who take all necessary precautions can safely do the collection and monitoring. The limit would be the protective equipment available. Perhaps that would limit too severely, but why not have people trained and ready to go as equipment becomes available?
Had this type of effort been started last month, a lot less people and equipment would have been needed, and health care facilities and hospitals would have a lot fewer patients and symptomatic people to deal with. If we get on the stick now, we will reduce the burden on resources next month.
What I would like to know is that if DT has "Kept America Great" why can't we recruit and organize even a fraction of the number the Chinese trained and deployed?
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)they would totally work!!
My concern, though, is the amount of actual people who could be spared from the Dept of Health or wherever to actually DO this work, right - but big chunks of money being appropriated...need to be spent on...beefing up efforts to trace and contain. there, thats how it will get done, right??!
Also, are you available to head up this tracing task force, pat, cause you got the stuff to get it DONE!!!
Not kidding!!!
Oops, pardon my italics, this machine got away from me, dagnabbit
pat_k
(9,313 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Thanks for the "not kidding" or I would probably have not given any thought.
I'm sure there are experts far more experience in management and far more capable than I am, but if the company I have a consulting contract with could find someone to take over the work I have on my plate -- which would be tough given learning curve for project -- I would join the ranks of those working to contain.
A friend of mine made room in her life to go help in Katrina. She describes the experience as perhaps the most heartbreaking, and most satisfying, experience of her life.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)If the opportunity arises, I know you would join (or lead would be my preference) a group of tracers...hey, its fixing to get WILD around here in ways weve never imagined before...I hope you get a chance to put your heart and mind to work in service of your country, pat, you would excel at it!!!
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)and then flew back home via Raleigh-Durham airport.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc11.com/amp/5982249
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Were watching a major coverup, but Im afraid the virus is going to outpace them quickly.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)this is "CONTAINED"............................