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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:50 PM Mar 2020

BREAKING: Saudi Arabia is launching the oil market equivalent of a declaration of war

BREAKING

Saudi Arabia is launching the oil market equivalent of a declaration of war: plan for a big production hike, and offering huge discount for its crude | #OOTT #OPEC #SaudiArabia with @A_DiPaola17




Saudis Plan Big Oil Output Hike, Beginning All-Out Price War

By Javier Blas and Anthony Dipaola

March 7, 2020, 5:55 PM EST

Riyadh reduces the costs of its crude well below Russian oil

Oil market braces for what hedge funds call a ‘nasty’ period


Saudi Arabia plans to increase oil output next month, going well above 10 million barrels a day, as the kingdom responds aggressively to the collapse of its OPEC+ alliance with Russia.

The world’s largest oil exporter started a price war on Saturday by slashing the prices it sells crude into foreign markets by the most in at least 20 years, offering unprecedented discounts in Europe, the Far East and the U.S. to entice refiners to purchase Saudi crude at the expense of other suppliers.

At the same time, Saudi Arabia has privately told some market participants it could raise production much higher if needed, even going to a record of 12 million barrels a day, according to people familiar with the conversations, who asked not to be named to protect commercial relations. With demand being ravaged by the coronavirus outbreak, opening the taps like that would throw oil market into chaos.

In the first instance, Saudi production is likely to rise above 10 million barrels a day in April, from about 9.7 millions a day this month, according to people familiar with Saudi thinking.

“That’s the oil market equivalent of a declaration of war,” said a commodities hedge fund manager, asking not to be named due to the sensitivity of the situation.

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-07/saudis-plan-big-oil-output-hike-beginning-all-out-price-war?sref=5F8Ao01j


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BREAKING: Saudi Arabia is launching the oil market equivalent of a declaration of war (Original Post) MelissaB Mar 2020 OP
How large are the price cuts to the Saudi official selling prices? Huge, really, really huge. MelissaB Mar 2020 #1
It likely hurts Iran more than anyone because of the US sanctions have them weakens already. Under The Radar Mar 2020 #6
Why? I don't understand who they are trying to hurt. OregonBlue Mar 2020 #2
'declaration of war,' elleng Mar 2020 #3
We need to stop pretending that Saudi Arabia is our friend. They are not. Initech Mar 2020 #4
Anyone care to dumb this down for me? dewsgirl Mar 2020 #5
Just a guess, but it's meant to help trump with the economy... getagrip_already Mar 2020 #8
Thank you so much..you have quite a talent, that was perfect. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #10
con mucho gusto...... n/t getagrip_already Mar 2020 #11
B I N G O ! Cosmocat Mar 2020 #12
Supple and demand doesn't evaporate misanthrope Mar 2020 #15
Lame Trump could be very bad for all of us. rickyhall Mar 2020 #16
It's already low though, he'd have to crash it to nearly half on retail level to actually help Trump uponit7771 Mar 2020 #19
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #22
Or is this an attempt to help Trump Buckeyeblue Mar 2020 #7
If anyone is thinking about a hybrid or any kind of really fuel-efficient vehicle, this will bullwinkle428 Mar 2020 #13
While we are in voluntary or possibly mandatory quarantine? littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #17
That's quite the assumption Buckeyeblue Mar 2020 #18
Covid-19 is NOT the flu and it's niave & reckless to suggest that it is. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #21
GOOD....maybe it would stop us from using oil.... FirstLight Mar 2020 #9
Refining is still the choke point misanthrope Mar 2020 #14
This sounds like someone picked up an old copy of the novel "Green MOnday" and liked it. DFW Mar 2020 #20

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
1. How large are the price cuts to the Saudi official selling prices? Huge, really, really huge.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 08:52 PM
Mar 2020
How large are the price cuts to the Saudi official selling prices? Huge, really, really huge. In Europe, Aramco has made the largest month-on-month cut for Arab Light in at least 20 years: a hefty $8 to -$10.25 a barrel | #OOTT

The shock-and-awe Saudi strategy could be an attempt to impose maximum pain in the quickest possible way to Russia, in an effort to bring them back to the negotiating table, and then reverse the production surge and start cutting output if a deal is achieved | #OOTT


Under The Radar

(3,405 posts)
6. It likely hurts Iran more than anyone because of the US sanctions have them weakens already.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:12 PM
Mar 2020

But I don’t know the benefit to SA

Initech

(100,107 posts)
4. We need to stop pretending that Saudi Arabia is our friend. They are not.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:05 PM
Mar 2020

I've been saying this since 9/11. They are a foreign power with very hostile intentions and I know they had a hand in the 2016 election.

getagrip_already

(14,881 posts)
8. Just a guess, but it's meant to help trump with the economy...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:17 PM
Mar 2020

Mr. Bone Saw absolutely needs the trumps in power. His regime depends on it.

So what would lower oil prices do?

For one, they would reduce inflationary pressures which are going to pop like an overfilled balloon once price increases for commodities with supply side pressure start to show up in statistics.

Second, oil is a major cost to industries like airlines, trucking, and chemical processors. It impacts everything from farming to groceries to transportation.

It will take "some" pressure off the economic indicators at a time when they will be getting worse.

If the economy collapses, the only reason for trump's base to support him (other than racism) disappears. He is convinced his re-election is linked tot he economy.

They will pull out all stops to prevent the economy from looking bad - until he is defeated and then he will intentionally destroy it. Just out of spite.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
12. B I N G O !
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020

He is calling in the chips on their shady ass deals, desperately trying to keep our economy a above water until the first Wednesday in November.

misanthrope

(7,432 posts)
15. Supple and demand doesn't evaporate
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:15 PM
Mar 2020

We see fluctuations all the time that don't plummet pump prices like so many anticipate. Gasoline suppliers are still going to be motivated to profit as much as possible regardless of crude prices. As long as they control the refining capacity, they control the prices in the face of demand.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
7. Or is this an attempt to help Trump
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:12 PM
Mar 2020

At these prices we will be paying well under $2 per gallon for gas. With that and lower interest rates, we will see a surge in SUV and Truck sales.

But mostly the low gas prices. People will eat that up.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
13. If anyone is thinking about a hybrid or any kind of really fuel-efficient vehicle, this will
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:09 PM
Mar 2020

be the time to make a deal, as these vehicles will be growing moss on the dealer's lot.

littlemissmartypants

(22,839 posts)
17. While we are in voluntary or possibly mandatory quarantine?
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:52 PM
Mar 2020

Who's going to be driving around during a pandemic beside undertakers and what remaining health care workers there may be that aren't sick?

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
18. That's quite the assumption
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 10:14 AM
Mar 2020

I think there is too much money on the table for us to get to that extreme. If anything, fear of the flu may cause people to drive rather than fly this summer for vacations.

FirstLight

(13,366 posts)
9. GOOD....maybe it would stop us from using oil....
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:20 PM
Mar 2020

haha, I know right? How much of a delusional hippie am I?

DFW

(54,447 posts)
20. This sounds like someone picked up an old copy of the novel "Green MOnday" and liked it.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 10:41 AM
Mar 2020

It was a financial thriller from 1980 where the ruling family of Saudi Arabia finds a discreet broker in New York, funnels billions into the stock market through him, and, once heavily invested, cuts the price of oil to $10 a barrel, doubles the market practically overnight and cashes in. They then try to eliminate the broker so he can't tell anyone what happened.

This will devastate frackers (wouldn't break my heart) and proponents of nuclear power (fine with me) and renewables (I hope they are farsighted enough not to curtail their efforts). It could also brutally impair proponents of cleaning up carbon emissions, and that is downright dangerous. The efforts to increase the use of wind and solar MUST continue unabated, even if the price of oil drops to $1 a barrel. Even if oil is free, the clean-up of carbon pollution is not.

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