I'm working on swaying anti-Obama voters to vote against Romney

[auburngrad82]

Last edited Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I have a lot of family and friends in Virginia who won't vote for Obama but don't like Rmoney. I thought I'd give them the chance to vote for an alternative to Rmoney, so I liked Gary Johnson, the libertarian candidate. These are people who would not vote for Obama under any circumstances, so if I can't get them to vote FOR Obama, I'll try to get them to take a vote AWAY from Rmoney.

In the close states a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama.



Edited per suggestions in the thread. I AM NOT endorsing Johnson, or any candidate other than Barack Obama. If you read my Facebook posts there is nothing in them that suggests that I support Johnson and that I advocate voting AGAINST Obama. Every post I make is pro Obama, pro Democratic party, and pro Liberal. I am simply trying to hurt the Romney campaign by directing votes Obama would never get away from his opponent.

[banned from Kos]

1. Johnson takes New Mexico out of play for the Repubs.

and may hurt their chances in Arizona and Nevada too.

[auburngrad82]

4. I have family in Virginia and Pennsylvania

If Johnson (and to a lesser extent Virgil Goode) can take votes away from Rmoney in those states we'll be looking at a second term for Obama.

[frazzled]

2. You may not advocate a third-party candidate here.

Rules is rules.

[auburngrad82]

3. I am not advocating for him. I'm working to help Obama win Virginia

Johnson and Goode being on the ballot in Virginia can only help Obama win. Johnson and Goode will take votes away from Rmoney, which is why I want my Virginia family and friends to be aware that they have options. They won't vote for Obama. But they might vote for an alternative to Rmoney. After all, when we talk politics, they always say "Democrats or Republicans, they're all the same."

[frazzled]

10. I realize that, but it's still advocacy

I don't think you can say where to draw the line.

By simply "liking" someone on Facebook, there is no message being sent besides "I like this candidate." You might be convincing some Obama frence-sitters just as well. There are "left-leaning" Libertarians, too. Or didn't you know that?

[HooptieWagon]

5. Jury voted 6-0 to leave it.

Poster is not advocating Johnson instead of Obama. They are advocating suggesting Johnson to RW voters instead of Romney... voters who would never vote for Obama anyway. If you were the alerter, then you were completely out of order, and being incredibly petty.

[frazzled]

11. I disagree with the jury.

(Though I respect their decision.)

Liking someone on Facebook is an act of advocacy that could have repercussions in any direction, not just for right-wingers. It is NOT something we should be doing or advocating. It's stupid.

[Walk away]

26. I have to agree. nt

[Grateful for Hope]

27. I think you are thinking in terms of black and white

Just 'sayin.

[frazzled]

33. Well, I could just as well say

I don't think you're thinking enough.

[Grateful for Hope]

34. ok

[auburngrad82]

30. I know more than a few progressives who liked Romney's facebook page to keep up with the BS

he's spewing. Doesn't mean they support him.

[Speck Tater]

31. Spirit of the law VS letter of the law. nt

[lunatica]

6. Yes it is!

[LoveIsNow]

7. Doing the same in Florida

I've been telling all my angsty Atlas Shrugged college conservative peers to stick it to Romney and vote for Johnson for the same reason, and they all seem to like the idea. He does seem pretty genuine and likeable, so it's really not hard.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Isn't Virgil Goode going to be on the VA ballot?

If so, I think THAT is the money play there.

[Ikonoklast]

9. We should give the loony Randian libertarian poseurs as many choices as they need

in order to siphon off votes from Mitt, and to drive wedges deeper into their party.

Virgil Goode needs to get past Cuccinelli's machinations first, I hope that there are some civic-minded people out there helping him.

I try to help the Good Right Wing Teabagger Christians I talk to who are worried about that Mormon guy and who would never vote for Obama make the best decision in order to keep their conscience clear by suggesting viable alternatives.

Anything done to keep votes away from Money Man Mitt is all good.

[hfojvt]

13. or all goode

but some there are here who insist that voting 3rd party could never help a Republican to win.

Yet my recent issue of The Nation, was all upset that Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson won't be included in Presidential debates.

[bluestate10]

20. Jill Stein calls herself a big progressive.

But, she always seem to show up to hurt the democrat vote count during close elections. She did the same when Deval Patrick was running for re-election. Stein did get 3% that would have changed the election, but fortunately independents broke hard for Patrick and helped other sane voters give him a 6% victory. Massachusetts is a better state today because Stein failed to hand the republican the election.

[Ikonoklast]

22. Nothing wrong with that, make them show why they are viable candidates first.

Have their supporters do some leg work, get some petitions sgned by registered voters, show that they just aren't on the fringes.

[TeamPooka]

12. "In the close states a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama." is a false statement...

A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama.
Votes for others by Democrats do not help anyone.
This is a Democratic site for those that support the Party and it's candidates so who are you telling to vote for Johnson?

[coalition_unwilling]

14. Oy vey. The implication is that Repubs and Libertarians who

vote for Johnson (RATHER THAN ROMNEY!) are effectively voting for Obama. Same effect accomplished when demoralized Repubs stay home and do not vote at all.

Am I missing something here?

[Autumn]

17. The poster posted that to people on FB who WON'T vote for Obama,

so they are not Democrats . If you read the entire post it becomes clear.

[TeamPooka]

23. except I read it here and we're discussing it here.

[Walk away]

28. What about her Facebook friends who ARE Democrats. Is she basically telling them...

that she endorses Johnson? I don't think it's ever a good idea to endorse anyone but your candidate.

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. Johnson is hurting Obama in Colorado.

I just saw a Public Policy Polling poll that showed Obama losing three votes to Johnson for every two Romney loses, and it's a close race. Johnson is polling 5%, which is pretty strong for a Libertarian.

Marijuana policy is an issue in Colorado. They have the feds shutting down dispensaries, they have legalization on the ballot, and they have Johnson running hard on the issue in the state.

[TeamPooka]

24. exactly so voting for Johnson is not a good thing for Obama

[abumbyanyothername]

35. I would hope that our party

the party of ideas would be willing to allow the electorate to express their opinion and would be willing to listen to the expression that occurs.

Particularly if they are losing votes because they are adopting Republican Party approaches to marijuana.

[coalition_unwilling]

15. Bravo! Time to do some Rovian rat-fucking of our

own, I say!

[bluestate10]

19. How deep.

Does one have to shove their heads up their butts to conclude that if a person that may have voted for Obama doesn't vote for Obama or sits home helps? Ghosts of 2000 again where the Nader people maked their fuckup by blaming Gore, not themselves.

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. I think you have that backwards.

It's some Democrats who keep blaming their fuckup on Nader. I don't think the Naderites blamed Gore for their not winning.

[pokerfan]

25. Virgil Goode is going to hurt Rmoney in Virginia

Former congressman Virgil Goode Jr. has qualified for the presidential ballot in Virginia, the State Board of Elections ruled Tuesday, adding a potential obstacle to Republican Mitt Romney’s hopes of winning the pivotal state.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/va-politics/virgil-goode-makes-presidential-ballot-in-virginia/2012/09/04/c5c57ea6-f698-11e1-8398-0327ab83ab91_story.html

[marions ghost]

37. Go Virgil!

Southwest VA...

[DevonRex]

29. EDIT YOUR TITLE. We don't need that broadcast on DU.

If your intent is what you say it is, then edit to say something like: To make my Virginia relatives NOT vote for Romney...

And then tell about Johnson in he body of the message. We don't want to advertise for Johnson on DU, right?

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Dunno if the Constitution Party is on FB, but they hold more appeal for

the realllly conservative folks.

[madokie]

36. I don't see a problem with what you're doing

You just may be doing a lot more good than any of us might think. I don't think Obama has a problem with getting reelected but I would like to see that he wins by the largest landslide in history. He won by a substantial more votes than they reported the last time, I'd about bet money on that.