I Saw My Friend Smoking A Cigarette The Other Day - He Couldn't Get Juice For His Vape

[DanieRains]

Smoking versus vaping.

Gee I wonder what is worse.

[dewsgirl]

1. I know people who smoke and vape.🤷‍♀️

I think vaping is better, if people must smoke.

[coti]

2. Yup, the demonization of vaping needs to stop.

TOBACCO, not nicotine or vaping, kills a half MILLION people every year in the United States. 6 to 8 MILLION worldwide, yearly.

TOBACCO.

Vaping saves lives.

[mr_lebowski]

3. Although it's somewhat difficult to know for SURE ...

I'll take 'likely far less bad but potentially terrible' over 'known to be terrible'.

That said, after 4 years of vaping only, I've sadly allowed smoking to creep back in since my divorce 2 years ago. I bum off a co-worker pretty regularly but other than that I only vape.

I wish I'd never started messing w/'analogs' again. It's hard going the whole weekend now with no proper smoke.

There's DEFINITELY other addictive components to tobacco besides nicotine (or, at least in cigarettes), there's no question.

[jayfish]

4. What NIC Strength Are You At?

Are you using salts or freebase? Have you tired NETs or WTAs?

[mr_lebowski]

17. Not salts, 6mg ... don't know what NET or WTA is offhand (nt)

[jayfish]

25. Some Tips.

Have an atomizer of 12mg juice around for when you crave an analog. Whole tobacco alkaloids (WTA) and naturally extracted tobacco (NET) e-liquids are said to tamp down cigarette cravings at lower overall nic levels. Could be woo as I've never had them but they could be worth a try.

Whole Tobacco Alkaloid E-liquid

NET E-Liquids

[mr_lebowski]

26. Thanks mate, I'll peep those :) nt

[jayfish]

28. For The Record.

I'm not suggesting that, if they work, you switch to NETs or WTAs. Just have some ready to go when you get a hankering for an analog.

[mr_lebowski]

29. Your disclaimer has been noted in your permanent record ;) nt

[jayfish]

5. Unpossible!

All the (anti) folks I talked to about this said people wouldn't switch back to analogs because it would be stupid.

[True Blue American]

8. My Son was ranting about vaping the other day. He is also against legalizing

Pot and drinking. He is worse than I am. At least he is a Democrat but despises one of the candidates. I will leave you to guess which one.

[3Hotdogs]

6. The nic in vaping is higher than in tobacco.

Vaping is relatively new. It will be years before the harm done by vaping is reflected in health (death) statistics.

[coti]

7. Meanwhile, we're already seeing tobacco use drop

with large help from nicotine-delivery alternatives to smoking tobacco, such as vaping.

[jayfish]

10. Sorry, Not True.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mean-blood-serum-nicotine-levels-for-cigarette-and-e-cigarette-users-Group-average-blood_fig3_334690140

[3Hotdogs]

15. 3 or 5% on Juul.

The internet tubes verify this.

[jayfish]

16. On Extremely Low Powered Devices.

A Juul has the power output of a first generation device (8.5W) with high nicotine levels. The low power output combined with the high nicotine levels would put a Juul somewhere between "first-generation" and "advanced generation" devices. You don't know what you are talking about with regards to this topic. Please refrain from continuing to post misinformation.

[mr_lebowski]

19. Trippy thing about that graph ... the highest rated one for blood nicotine is Aspire CF VV+ ...

Which is a freaking battery.

https://www.vapeshop.com/aspire-cf-vv

You can put any tank w/proper threads onto it.

That was a mistake by the researchers logging the data under the battery being used rather than the tank.

[Marrah_Goodman]

13. That really depends on what you vape

Things like JUUL have stupidly high levels of Nic. When you vape with a pen or other set up and buy the juice the levels are much much lower and you have a choice. You can even get 0 nicotine, which is what I do.

[3Hotdogs]

14. The Juul store has a sign on the counter. You can get 5% nic.

[mr_lebowski]

20. You can't compare cigs and vaping using % values like that.

For one thing there's 100's of chemicals in cig smoke, including ones designed to potentiate nicotine and increase addiction.

For another, cigarettes burn at extremely high temps, vape devices cook at much lower temps.

Lastly, smoke is inherently different from vapor, it's not taken up at the same rate.

I'm not saying vaping isn't addictive, it definitely IS.

But there's no vaping devices that raise you blood nicotine levels as quickly or as high as regular cigs (yet).

And any that are not 'nicotine salt' based (as Juul is) are not even close.

Using Juul is a WAY overpriced way to vape. I switched over from analogs over a 2 week weaning period with regular juice (not salts) back in 2014 w/little problem, after like 14 years of a pack a day damn near.

You don't need to use that corporate-produced, super-high-nic Juul nonsense. That's for people who don't know better.

[Mariana]

21. Nicotine isn't even the part of smoking that's really dangerous.

The smoke is what causes the real deadly conditions like cancer and emphysema, and vaping doesn't produce any smoke. People who obsess about the nicotine are missing the point.

[BlueSpot]

23. Wrong. The nic in vaping is variable.

I quit smoking by slowly lowering the nicotine levels in the "juice" until it was zero and I was essentially just making hand to mouth motions. At that point I quit the whole business. It was the slow drop that made it work for me.

[tavernier]

9. I believe until this virus leaves

any kind of added chemical in my lungs is a bad idea.

[Withywindle]

11. Vaping has definitely been a godsend for me

And I've reduced the nicotine in the formula I use from 18mg/ml down to 3 or even 1.5 over the course of a few years. Haven't smoked a whole analog cigarette since 2015. Would I relapse if I couldn't get vape juice? Probably so, sooner or later.

Edited to add: I've saved so much money. I feel so much better. I produce less trash. My roommates don't allow smoking cigarettes in their house (420 is fine) but they don't mind vaping. (No more having to go out on the porch in my pajamas at 2 AM when it's 10 degrees out!!)

[mr_lebowski]

18. Clothes, hands and breath don't smell too ...

Around here everyone who works in vape shops is cool, I always end up hanging out and shooting the shit.

It's fun to get new gear too, and trying new flavors.

Cost is arguably the best part ... I'd say I spend <20% of what I used to spend on smokes. Helps to buy juice in large containers, shop by my house does in-house 240ml bottles for $42, those last me like 6 weeks. $42 is like 5 days of smokes at a pack/day.

Which is why Big Tobacco hates vaping via a means other than Juul and similar cig-alike scenarios (where they often own those companies and the price/day is far higher).

[Marrah_Goodman]

12. I live in RI and can no longer get juice here or in Mass

So I got online and got a kit for making my own. I suggest you suggest this to your friend. Making it at home is actually pretty easy.

[Baclava]

22. I get my juice from the local vape store, the chemist makes it fresh in front of me

I ask for bigger bottles that last over a month, much cheaper too, she's great

Stopped tobacco over 5 years ago, have saved many thousands by switching, works perfect for me

[demtenjeep]

24. 6 years without a cig because of vaping. Started at 32 nic and now at 3

my goal is to be 0 by end of year and not using a vape at all


I owe it to vaping and will advocate for anyone to stop with it.

[Kitchari]

27. I used to think vaping wasn't as harmful, but

now I'm not so sure.

Excerpt from lung.org, the website for the American Lung Association:

When tested, aldehydes, traces of metal, and other carcinogens responsible for playing a role in lung and oral cancers were present. E-cigarettes invite harmful and unknown chemicals into the body and bloodstream. These cancer-causing agents reach deep into the lungs, irritating the bronchi and cause an increase in blood pressure, heart rate, as well as compromise adequate flow of blood to the heart and restrict of the arteries. The "vapor" inhaled also can cause inflammations in the mouth, eventually leading to gum disease. Additionally, "vaping" has been proven to destroy the mitochondria used in wound healing.

[link:https://www.lung.org/about-us/blog/2019/03/vaping-smoke-and-mirrors.html|

I personally do not vape, but a long time ago I smoked cigarettes (quit 30 years ago). I think the aerosolized vapor might reach deeper into the lung tissues than regular smoke, but I am not a doctor, so it's just a hunch.