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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:53 PM Sep 2012

Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For

Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011. When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts, telling an incredulous Norah O’Donnell that he didn’t actually vote for the cuts he’s on record as voting for:

O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory.

RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester.

O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it!

RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act.

O’DONNELL: That included defense spending!

RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken.


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O’Donnell is, in fact, not mistaken. The Budget Control Act, as passed, included both the roughly $600 billion in “sequestration” cuts that will happen if there’s no compromise on the budget by December as well as the $487 billion of military-supported cuts that will take place regardless. The fact that Ryan may have wished that the bill didn’t contain said defense cuts does not absolve him of the fact that he and 201 other Republicans voted for the bill as-passed.

Moreover, Ryan’s statement after voting for the bill contained not a single word of criticism about the defense cuts. As O’Donnell correctly noted, Ryan said the bill “represents a victory for those committed to controlling government spending and growing our economy” and that “The agreement – while far from perfect – underscores the extent to which the new House majority has successfully changed Washington’s culture of spending.” It’s at best misleading, and at worst an outright lie, for Ryan to assert that voting for the Budget Control Act did not mean voting for defense cuts.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/09/816861/ryan-i-didnt-vote-for-the-defense-cuts-i-voted-for/
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Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For (Original Post) cynatnite Sep 2012 OP
He is the poster boy of Pathological Lying randr Sep 2012 #1
+1,000 n/t malaise Sep 2012 #14
Her next question should have been... Plucketeer Sep 2012 #25
If Shitffer had been there BumRushDaShow Sep 2012 #2
Either he is too stupid to understand the consequence of his own actions or willfully lying. liberal N proud Sep 2012 #3
I'll take "Willfully Lying" for $800, Alex. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #18
His attitude is... She's only a woman... she doesn't understand... nenagh Sep 2012 #4
No; his attitude is "They're all stupid voters who don't understand." WinkyDink Sep 2012 #19
No, he lies to everyone Doctor_J Sep 2012 #20
Lyin' Ryan, Ma'am, Puts Poor Old Tommy Flanagan In Deep Shade.... The Magistrate Sep 2012 #5
Well put, Magistrate! n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #7
Ryan Robbins Sep 2012 #6
Go Norah! budkin Sep 2012 #8
LOL. So, he's denying the one thing he did right. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #9
Didn't Willard also call him out just yesterday for this vote? Indpndnt Sep 2012 #10
Yep, he sure did. n/t cynatnite Sep 2012 #11
What a team, huh? n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #13
I know it's an old one, but: CrispyQ Sep 2012 #12
Are we sure his name is actually Paul Ryan? I mean he's such a wretched liar.... LynneSin Sep 2012 #15
Really... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #26
So he voted for them......but he voted against them? Wounded Bear Sep 2012 #16
Paul Ryan: I lie, therefore I am. jsr Sep 2012 #17
He's too confused to serve.(NT) The Wizard Sep 2012 #21
But those votes were when I was still with my first wife MurrayDelph Sep 2012 #22
Shouldn't he be embracing these cuts, "We're broke!", right? It's what HE keeps saying. ck4829 Sep 2012 #23
"sequester", "Nomenclature" Doctor_J Sep 2012 #24
I hope. America does not want another lying egghead aka Dick Nixon. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #28
Can we get a definition for the word "is"? McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #27
And I thought Palin was a clear and present danger. Faygo Kid Sep 2012 #29
Lyin' Ryan is Mr. PantsonFire! drynberg Sep 2012 #30
I would be more happy about this if lies didn't work johnlucas Sep 2012 #31
flip flop LGB Sep 2012 #32
Excuse me, Representative Ryan, but... drynberg Sep 2012 #33
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
25. Her next question should have been...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:16 AM
Sep 2012

So, your marathon time was two hours and fifty-something??? Or did the records get it wrong?

BumRushDaShow

(129,059 posts)
2. If Shitffer had been there
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 01:59 PM
Sep 2012

he would have let him go with the lie. At least O'Donnell doubled back on it and called him on it.

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
3. Either he is too stupid to understand the consequence of his own actions or willfully lying.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:08 PM
Sep 2012

Maybe it is possible that he thought that he was voting for a blind mans bluff and nothing would happen because of it. Maybe it is possible that he didn't know there was defense cuts in the bill. If that is the case, he shouldn't be in office.

But in actually, I believe he knew, and thought that the President wasn't serious.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
4. His attitude is... She's only a woman... she doesn't understand...
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:08 PM
Sep 2012

I'm wearing the thousand(s) dollar suit and coordinated tie... Look at me! I have the power, I'm the male...

I'm right & you are wrong...

Go Norah! stand up for women everywhere...

and stand up for the truth.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. No, he lies to everyone
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 05:17 PM
Sep 2012

I see no reason to cloud the issue of his pathological lying with a bizarre tangent into sexism.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. Lyin' Ryan, Ma'am, Puts Poor Old Tommy Flanagan In Deep Shade....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:17 PM
Sep 2012

This man could not tell the truth if he was wired up to a machine that would electrocute him if he lied....

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
10. Didn't Willard also call him out just yesterday for this vote?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 02:50 PM
Sep 2012

So now his presidential running mate is mistaken, too? Way to go, Paul!

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
12. I know it's an old one, but:
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sep 2012

Q. How can you tell when Paul Ryan is lying?

A. His lips move.

It's pathological with this guy.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. Are we sure his name is actually Paul Ryan? I mean he's such a wretched liar....
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:46 PM
Sep 2012

he probably lied to us about that too.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
16. So he voted for them......but he voted against them?
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 03:51 PM
Sep 2012

This is weirder than 'he voted for them before he voted against them.' I'm confused.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
23. Shouldn't he be embracing these cuts, "We're broke!", right? It's what HE keeps saying.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 06:05 PM
Sep 2012

Makes no sense.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
29. And I thought Palin was a clear and present danger.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 09:42 PM
Sep 2012

She's an egotistical ignoramus, but Ryan is a pathological liar. The GOP has never been so scary.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
30. Lyin' Ryan is Mr. PantsonFire!
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:04 PM
Sep 2012

We gotta make hay on such a large smelly sticky sack o' shit that Mr. Paul lays out with Ms. O'Donnell. The RR boys gotta pay for all their friggin' deep lies...the voters need to know that they just can't be trusted.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
31. I would be more happy about this if lies didn't work
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:20 AM
Sep 2012

But they do.
We see it over & over again.

People get most of their 'facts' from their friends or take the word of the media source who reports.
I hope people would at least do a quick Wikipedia check & find the truth.
If sourced & trackable, you can go to the bank on it.

But most people won't even do that & he knows it.
So he confuses the issue. "You're mistaken," he says.

No Ryan, you're LYIN'!
Let's get to November & cancel these suckas out! Damn!
John Lucas

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