Talk to me when you have a working vaccine deployed widely

[intrepidity]

Until then, we are approaching a severely disrupted world. All bets are off, the usual no longer applies. An era of a new paradigm.

We may disagree on the details, but there is no going back, until an effective vaccine comes on the scene.

Please try to convince me otherwise, using sound logic and facts.

[Groundhawg]

1. Why would you think there will be a vaccine?

We don’t have vaccines for other viruses like the common cold or the flu that are much good.

[intrepidity]

3. True. I have faith there will eventually be one, however effective

But until then, all bets are off. World is changed.

Not hyperbole.

[Nonhlanhla]

2. Eventually there will be some herd immunity

And they're working on antivirals. Hopefully they find something useful, similar to Tamiflu which lessens symptoms.

But yeah, this is a severely disrupted world now, and it could have been stopped with swift and transparent action. That makes me so angry.

[intrepidity]

4. Documented cases of reinfection are very concerning nt

[Groundhawg]

5. Hogwash!

I’m as mad at the presidents response as anybody but like I said we cannot even make an effective vaccine for the common cold or the flu. There are some things that can help but viruses just have to burn themselves out.

[Nonhlanhla]

6. So what precisely is hogwash?

I did not make any claims about the likelihood of an effective vaccine, and I cautiously said that I HOPE they develop an antiviral (which is not a vaccine) - there are some promising candidates out there like remdesivir, plus the history of Tamiflu that tells us sometimes an antiviral can be developed). I furthermore said there will eventually be herd immunity (from all the people who have gotten it, recovered, and are hopefully immune), which is exactly what "the virus burning itself out" suggests.

So what was hogwash?

[Groundhawg]

7. Post 2 said this could have been prevented. Hogwash

[Nonhlanhla]

8. It could have

With swift testing and follow up the chains of transmission could have been broken, and/or the spread slowed significantly.

[Groundhawg]

9. Why haven't any other countries been able to prevent the virus?

Are they all as ignorant buffoons as Trump?
And why can’t we prevent the flu after hundreds of years?

[Nonhlanhla]

10. You're missing my point

I’m not talking about preventing the virus but about preventing its spread, beating it back with swift testing and breaking of chains of transmission. That’s what the Koreans have been doing and also the Chinese approach outside Hubei (in Hubei it was too late, hence the quarantined).

[Groundhawg]

16. I got your point . You said the spread was preventable

How could you prevent spread of a virus? Slow down maybe but you said preventable. What virus spread has ever been prevented in the history of the world?

[leftstreet]

11. Is that what's happening in China?

Sorry if that's a stupid question

[Nonhlanhla]

12. I doubt it (nt)

[leftstreet]

13. Does herd immunity take a lot longer?

[Nonhlanhla]

14. As I understand it

Once a significant percentage of the population had it, the spread slows down since the have immunity.

Let’s hope those stories of reinfection were just misreadings.

[leftstreet]

15. Thanks n/t