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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:53 AM Mar 2020

It seems that the coronavirus affects different people in different ways?

For some, it can be deadly. For others, it is like a slight case of the flu. Some seem to have built-up immunities in their bodies that others do not have?

For some, it attacks the lungs much more aggressively than in others.

There is no one example we can use to guide our actions. Some folks seem hardly affected at all by the virus. We should not assume that we would be treated likewise by the virus.

We should look at it realistically. If we have a heart condition, or high-blood pressure, or diabetes, or other severe health problems, coronavirus could be very difficult to overcome.

Sometimes the best we can do is hunker down and stay out of the line of fire. With this "virus", if we must go out, we should practice social distancing. Keep away from crowded places. Wash your hands everytime you return to your house. Wear a mask or cough into your elbow sleeve.

Over time, people tend to build up immunities to every disease. This one is probably no different.

The more we can isolate ourselves, the better we may be?

This is just my opinion from information I have gleaned from different sources.

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avlbeerfan

(52 posts)
1. two different strains
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:58 AM
Mar 2020

From some reports i have read there are two strains L-Cov & S-Cov. The L strain is the most severe and is the dominant strain in China, Italy and Iran. The S strain is milder and is the one in South Korea and other pan Asian countries. Its all very confusing really.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
3. I haven't heard anyone say "a slight case of flu"
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

I've heard "severe flu", in otherwise young healthy adults. A flu that lasts longer than the normal flu and where symptoms are more extreme than usual, even when lungs aren't involved. It's when the lungs get involved that it gets life threatening, of course, but I don't hear any credible person, or even anecdotal story comparing the symptoms to the flu. This is worse.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
5. It ranges from
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:04 AM
Mar 2020

asymptomatic (not even sniffles), through mild cold to mild flu to severe flu to ARDS (where your alveoli fill with liquid and you suffocate). Many avoid mentioning "flu" because they want to avoid the naive take-away "it's like the flu." Many cases are like the flu; the disease is not like the flu.

Another reason to avoid saying "flu" is that for many muscle aches seem to be a standard symptom of influenza, but I haven't seen that reported for COVID-19. (On the other hand, in 60 years I've only ever had muscle aches with the flu once.) Note that the prevalence of the flu in January and February served as a good mask for covid-19, and in some places they went back and checked for covid-19 in the remains of old flu test samples that had came back negative and found more covid-19 positives.

Pre-existing immunity isn't the reason for the symptom range, so far as I've seen reported, so much as how the immune system responds. Option 1 is "normally" (asymptomatic or mild symptoms) or "panic" (severe flu to death). Since the two options aren't exactly narrowly prescribed, that gives you the full range, nothing to very severe.

For some reason, older people seem to have immune systems that more often don't respond properly. It really kicks in after age 60, and is worse for those over 70.

This is emphatically *not* the same thing as complications from pre-existing conditions, such as compromised immune systems or high blood pressure. Those trigger some pretty lethal consequences, and then if the health care infrastructure isn't there to help the symptoms you can get a pretty harsh spike in death rates.

Notice that the last two paragraphs help explain much of the variance in death rates. Even the Chinese "there are two strains of COVID-19" might be true, but also says that the known infrastructure failings in Hubei province had no effect. Or, perhaps, the infrastructure failings in Hubei account for some of the variance between the two strains. In the US, the data from Washington State, where nursing homes accounted for a lot of the early deaths, also skews things--if 50% of the population you know is infected is in the highest risk group it doesn't meet the requirements for the usual interpretation of the data, which is that the infection spread in a largely random way.

(But if you must look at the bright side of things, just imagine the effect of a 20% mortality for those over 70 years of age on the viability of the social security system and killing off all those nasty boomers who stand in the way of true American values. Full discloser: I'm a boomer and that's writ incredibly sarcastic.)

rainin

(3,011 posts)
7. Thank you so much for this explanation! I wonder if one's past tendency
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:17 AM
Mar 2020

to catch illness is predictive. Our family is usually pretty well. Stuff moves through, we get mildly sick, and we get over it, even though it take weeks to feel back to normal. Two of us tend to get short-term fevers, while the others usually just see a cough.

Any thoughts on whether this might be predictive? Or is it totally different with something so new that our immune systems have never seen

Regarding your "bright side", I confess I have a list of names

Claustrum

(4,846 posts)
4. Yes, it looks like everyone is reacting differently to the virus.
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:01 AM
Mar 2020

Isolation is for preventing a widespread of the disease right now. Our hospital doesn't have the capacity to treat everyone that might fall critical with the virus. Some people are dying because of the lack of treatment. I think in Italy, they went out of capacity and have to choose lower risk patients to treat and leaving the high risk patients untreated, thus they die. They are not dying because it's untreatable. They are dying because of the lack of resource to treat them.

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
6. No one has immunity to this
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:15 AM
Mar 2020

It is a brand new disease. To have immunity you have to have been previously exposed to it.

The difference is in how our bodies respond to it and/or which strain we contract.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
8. Apparently children are doing well, I don't know if anyone has offered a good explanation yet
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:27 AM
Mar 2020

I'm theorizing they have the strongest immune systems to mount a response, and possibly the lowest overall stress.

I'm f*ing stressed all the time, as are most adults I know. If stress is a strong cofactor, we're toast

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
9. Yes. There's a difference between having immunity to this disease (no one does)
Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:35 AM
Mar 2020

and the strength of the immune system, generally.

I haven't heard any theory as to why there are 0 fatalaties age 9 or younger. But this thing does have a strong age differential.

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