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Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:55 AM

Husband works at hospital .. it's everywhere!

Last night they were suddenly slammed. They had to set up triage tents. They brought in trailers and were sending people home too.

The EVD staff worker told my husband who suspected it’s on the fourth floor “it’s in the whole hospital!”

We are hit hard!!
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Reply Husband works at hospital .. it's everywhere! (Original post)
Bluesaph Mar 2020 OP
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #1
DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #25
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #31
wnylib Mar 2020 #37
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #51
pat_k Mar 2020 #76
CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #83
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:57 AM

1. This expert I follow on twitter said the USA would be where Italy is in 2 weeks

Last edited Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

She posted that last night btw.

She's an expert in viruses and the like.

God help us!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:38 AM

25. You should tell her

That we are probably closely gaining on Italy, but without testing to show there are diseased, there can't be any diseased....

And send her the video taken last week that has the yam saying we are down to five cases nationwide and those would be gone in a few moments......

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:50 AM

31. She is well-aware of what is going on

She was on Democracy Now a couple of weeks ago.

Amy Goodman interviewed her.

Her name is Laurie Garrett fyi.

This lady has a lot of info.

She says it came from bats as an origin and spread from specific bats to another species and has spread from there. The culprit is one of man's own making; extinction of other animals species and the wet markets that are found throughout the world.

This is nature's revenge so to speak!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:10 PM

37. From bats to wet market animals?

In that case, couldn't it spread from bats?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:34 PM

51. Bats purposefully carry a lot of diseases

I don't think eating them is the issue.

The issue is that it has to jump to another species and from there it basically mutated and we are the next host.

They don't know who/what the intermediary host is.

It is a complex issue to address here.

You might try reading what Laurie Garrett has to say as she is an expert.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:59 PM

76. Very Good VOX piece on youtube: Why new diseases keep appearing in China

Why new diseases keep appearing in China

Bottom line: The world must pressure China to close its wet markets.


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Response to pat_k (Reply #76)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:17 PM

83. Nature's revenge

That is what we are dealing with!

There is no vaccine against nature!


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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:08 PM

81. "I don't think eating them is the issue"

That's my understanding. At this market the buyer buys the animal when it's alive, and that's how the transmission in theory occurs.

But there are other theories, such as the bat infecting either snakes or pangolins.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #81)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:35 PM

88. It is believed it transferred from the fruit bat to another host

They DO NOT know who/what this other "host" is before it mutated again and is now aka COV.



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:13 PM

102. Studies suggested

99% genetic match to pangolins weeks ago. An ant eating mammal with scales. Protected species not sold legally at the markets, but still sold.
So from bats to those to humans is suspected.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:30 PM

47. Viruses are amazingly efficient parasites

When humans encroach into the area and decimate the number of their hosts they jump from the species they've established a stable relationship and infect humans.

If we stayed out of the area and left enough hosts (bats, snakes, monkeys, etc) alive those viruses wouldn't be interested in us at all.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:42 PM

58. Is this her????



Recipient of Pulitzer Prize, Polk (2Xs) and Peabody Awards. Author: IHeard theSirensScream, TheComingPlague, Ebola & BetrayalofTrust.

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:45 PM

62. Yes, that is her

The Pulitzer Prize, etc. winner.

Pay attention to her.

She knows wtf is going IMO!!!



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:20 PM

85. Yeah, but Trump has a hunch.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:40 PM

89. Just added her to my Twitter list.



thanks.....

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:28 PM

101. Laurie Garrett is great.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:42 AM

27. Yes, me too.

I also suspect that, due to the lack of test kits early on, we have probably had COVID-19 here longer than suspected. Maybe January.

What is really odd is that the CDC and other organizations usually try to anticipate these things and this strain was identified in 2019. My assumption is that there would have been some alarms and preparations going off at that point, especially when the usual influenza vaccine production works far in advance.

I guess we can thank the Orange Prince of Darkness for whatever may have interfered with preparation, like gutting things first.

I am going to do more research on that.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:07 PM

36. I absolutely believe that it has been here longer

I think we had it in early January. All the symptoms matched perfectly

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:47 PM

63. Would you list your symptoms?

I was sick in late January; I thought it was the flu, but I am left wondering.

I had fever, cough, terrible body aches, slight nausea, and head congestion. The fever symptom (slightly elevated) lasted 4 days and took me by surprise, as I could not remember the last time I had been feverish. And I sweated so much. Soaking sweat for days.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #63)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:58 PM

91. Sure

My wife's were almost to the letter what the symptoms published read: dry cough, sudden onset, chest pain and some trouble breathing (but not much). Fever of 102. Aches, pains, sick for over a week. We came very close to going to the ER, but with healthy doses of OTC meds and anti-biotics (not known if they had any impact), the fever broke and we didn't go. She said she's never felt anything like that, and she rarely gets sick.

Mine were more like the lead article from CNN: aches, pains, massive headache, nausea (I have menier's so anything hits my head, it turns into vertigo). Very sudden onset. I didn't check my temp (foolishly, but by then was talking care of my wife as best I could), but I was having alternating chills and hot flashes. Was also ready for ER when things subsided. Took me about 6 days to feel better, took her about the same. She had it worse, not everyone has the same symptoms, and not everyone who gets it presents with symptoms. I personally think it depends on where it gets into your system. In my case, my vomiting may have cleared the virus from the tracheal area - viruses don't like stomach acids.

We both got hit within 18-24 hours of each other, me first. We both assumed it was a particularly nasty version of the flu, and assumed it was from the restaurant. Our server was a very strange dude, he had just come back from some holiday, and I recall him coughing once or twice, IIRC, apologizing to us and to some other couple in another table.

Three days before it hit me, we had eaten at a very popular and very busy seafood restaurant in Buckhead, an enclave of Atlanta where there are a lot of travelers and visitors, and during the holiday season (we got it right before and through New Years).

There is absolutely no way for us to know if this was related, and could just be a fertile imagination but I'm not a big believer in coincidences. Having all the symptoms in the circumstances that we were infected in leaves us both wondering. Perhaps it was the flu, but it was different and very intense. We are both in our 60s, and I have heart problems, so I'm hoping that was it and we are possibly "immunized". But not taking any chances, for sure!

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #91)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:25 PM

103. You had classic flu symptoms. Flu as in influenza. Strikes fast and hard.

Corona seems to creep up on you more.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:48 AM

30. For over a week now, experts have been saying we'll mirror Italy.

It's just now that it's starting to grow legs.

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Response to Native (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

33. Laurie Garrett posted a chart last night

The chart confirmed this horror!

Here is the chart via twitter and @laurie_garrett

>>Laurie Garrett
@Laurie_Garrett
This @CFR
graphic (right) nicely summarizes why the entire #Trump Administration #COVID19 policy, which rests on little more at the moment, in practical terms, than travel bans, is doomed to fail. Graphic on left shows USA is on Italy trajectory, lagging about 7-10 days behind.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES4NI00UMAAX7cB?format=jpg&name=900x900

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #33)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

38. Thanks.

Woah! We are in for it.

A few of us have estimated about that that time lag. That's when it goes boom as far as health services, etc., go.

Hold on tight.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #38)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:41 PM

56. I believe her to be a hightly credible source right now

She was on-sight during the SARS and Ebola crises'.

She is still here now and she wears gloves (any type) at all times.

I thought you had to wear latex gloves but she wears any type she has and takes them off before she gets into her car. I guess she put them in a plastic bag and washes them when she gets inside.

Nightmare.

Absolute nightmare.

My friend said he doesn't care to live to see it if it gets really bad. He is the same age as I am.



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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:50 PM

67. Italy

Does anyone think this will be over any time soon? We have a trip to Italy on June 7th. I know right now the whole country is shut down. The thought of being one of the first let back in in June is scary.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #67)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:55 PM

72. I would not plan on going to Italy this year...

If you can get refunds on your plans, now is also probably the time to do so...

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:59 PM

77. Italy is a verb now?

“Would Italy??”

Wtf? I know what she means, but it doesn’t sound like what an educated person would say.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:24 PM

86. She said we are "right on track" to be where Italy is in 2 weeks

She is very well-educated FYI!

She is a Pulitzer Prize winner for god's sake.

Why don't you research her further before questioning her legitimacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Garrett

Laurie Garrett (born 1951) is an American science journalist and author. She was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Journalism in 1996 for a series of works published in Newsday, chronicling the Ebola virus outbreak in Zaire.[1]

She is a BOOMER close in age to myself.

She knows what she is talking about.



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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:58 AM

2. K&R

 

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:59 AM

3. K&R, Lack of **unfettered** Coronavirus testing will delay US recovery & get lots of people killed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:13 AM

12. The strategy is LIHOP: the Let It Happen Operation

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:47 AM

29. Yes. "Let" is intentional.

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:29 PM

87. Right. I stand corrected.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #87)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:09 PM

96. I apologize

I didn’t mean to offend you. During 9/11 LIHOP meant let it happen on purpose, that was what I meant. It came out wrong. I’ll delete it.

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #96)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:10 PM

98. No offense taken. I think I misremembered. So thanks. No need to delete. I can look it up again.

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Response to MsLeopard (Reply #96)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:12 PM

99. Found it. Wikipedia gives your definition, which I forgot.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:13 PM

39. It is rather obvious.

What's the MO? Ulterior motive alert!!!!

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:21 PM

41. When it's LIHOP, the motive is arguable. An unprovable waste of time.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:29 PM

46. Do you mean,

regarding the value of any special powers that might ensue from a national crisis or state of emergency or the tendency to support the circumstances that would allow for it?

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:34 PM

50. I hear you. No matter what the special powers, b/c it's a force of nature, no one can prove intent

or conspiracy.

We're in the bullshit zone of passive criminality.

In that zone, results cannot be imputed to intent. That's the bullshit his republican senate and supporters eat, sleep, live and die by.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

59. To get rid of people like me! That what the turd wants!

First it was the African Americans, but he has yet to get what he wants on that front.

Then he went after the immigrates. Got a bit more traction on what he wants to do to them.

Now this COVID-19 is the thing he will use to kill off the poor and homeless.

He is a monster!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #59)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:52 PM

69. Of course.

Those are my concerns, too. I am among those who has little to no income, no savings, SNAP is my food source, my home is a tent, etc.

That's the reason I know how badly this will impact the many, many homeless people who cannot stock up on anything, SNAP is hardly enough to eat on and you can't stock up on that little, (about $6.00-a-day). You have no running water or your own bathroom and there is no way you can stay in a tent or a car for long, especially two-weeks self-quarantine.

So, when it sweeps through the homeless community, that may be devastating and i am prepared to be done.

I have heard Trump's desires to put homeless people in "camps" or some sort of facilities as a dictator solution, rather than provide needed assistance and have brainless Ben Carson do anything at HUD. So, it is my concern that the scapegoating will reach us and he might use emergency powers to "contain" us using public health as an excuse. Scapegoating is important to Fascist dictators, like butter on your toast.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #69)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:00 PM

78. Nail on head....

I am homeless, with MS.

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Response to Newest Reality (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 02:30 PM

92. Less blue voters come November, the rural voters will be OK

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Response to ancianita (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:19 PM

84. i've been thinking that (using the 9/11 term) for a few weeks

allowing 20 or 30 million retirees to die would do wonders for social security, medicare, and other retirement funds.

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Response to rampartc (Reply #84)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:07 PM

95. Really. Serious or joking. Please explain.

Because what, the funds, god forbid, would be spent on those 20 or 30 million?

That's the only meaning I get from what your "wonders" comment.

I, as a productive user of medicare but not social security, should take offense at this comment. There's no joking about saving money on human life.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #95)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 04:03 PM

100. perhaps "creative speculation"

i certainly do not advocate such a course.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:24 AM

19. In NY State the Gov just signed a bill allowing

qualified pharmacists to test for flu to help narrow down demands on hospital, clinic, etc.

They already can give various non-evasive injections.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 02:31 PM

93. +1, that's cool !! at least its something.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:04 PM

35. GOP Laissez-faire healthcare.....

while they bask in the safety of their private island resorts, taken there by private jet.....

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 09:59 AM

4. Recommended

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:02 AM

5. OMG K and R

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:02 AM

6. Thanks for posting, Blue

deep breaths, rock steady .... please keep us posted if you can

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:07 AM

7. And will happen across the US like Italy, I bet. n/t

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:07 AM

8. and still no testing?

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:11 AM

9. A relative of mine was supposed to have surgery at Stanford Hospital this AM. Cancelled.

She got a call early, early this AM that all elective surgeries (hers was something orthopedic, rather desperately needed because of pain and immobility) were being cancelled for the foreseeable future at the direction of Santa Clara County officials. Decision was supposedly made overnight.

Don't know how true that explanation is, that's just what she was told -- though it was repeated by a second person who called a little later.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:30 AM

22. This is all happening very fast. So unfortunate for her and

others for whom "elective" is very needed.

I have Fox on. Talk about moving fast, from denial to real reporting from one day to the next. Sure, they throw in words to blame like "bureaucracy" and "red tape," etc., but they are now covering this national emergency for real almost constantly.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 10:11 AM

10. Just an idea

Here are two scanner channels for LA County EMS dispatch (North and South Division).

Maybe there will be some calls related to the virus (shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, "might have COVID", etc.), or some side chatter that might provide insight on the situation. For example, they might have discussions about diverting patients from overfilled facilities, etc.

North Division: https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/18435
South Division: https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/18556

No guarantees. It's just a thought.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:08 AM

11. The Medium article by Tomas Pueyo lays it all out

it's clear that red don's delay will kill many, many Americans.

(I think someone earlier posted this link at DU which is how I found it but it bears re-posting and has been updated today. Medium routes to a main page; sorry, I don't know how to get straight to the article)

[link:https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca|]


I'm sure public health officials in the administration have been frustrated watching this debacle unfold, because they were well aware of the benefit from an early response. The information in article makes it clear that the situation gets much, much worse with delayed and limited response.

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Response to not fooled (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:14 AM

13. IF45 is a passive-aggressive killer of Americans. When he's panicked enough of them,

he WILL suspend November elections.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:38 AM

24. Nope.

From what I understand States run elections, not the federal government. He can't shut them down.

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Response to Popcorn Samurai (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:52 AM

32. Hope that's true. It sounds structurally right. If he refuses the results, what/who will force the

results to become an inauguration? It's likely that he will refuse the General Election results, especially if he calls a national emergency on the pretext of govt continuity blahblah.

The People v Donald J Trump could hit the SCOTUS. That would take a while, wouldn't it.

Don't think this hasn't been thought of. Lookin' at his Nazi counselors.

We're both right. But which scenario is more likely.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:25 PM

43. And this, rather than incompetence,

is more likely the reason for his lack of a full scale approach to dealing with this health crisis.

While typing, just heard two news items.

1) Louisiana has just cancelled its April primary, to be held a couple months later. First state to re-schedule a primary.

2) Miami mayor is positive for covid 19. He was at Mar a Lago when the infected Brazilian official was there with Trump and Pence.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:31 PM

48. Yes. He never fails to take advantage of and enhance others' misfortune for his ultimate gain.

Corona dicktater.

2. Except both the Brazilian official and Bolsonaro claim their test results were negative, as reported by Bolsonaro's son, no less.

We're in the bullshit zone all the way to November and beyond.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #48)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:48 PM

65. Really? Wonder where you heard that?

My information, from an interview on NPR says that Bolsanaro tested negative. The infected official is their press secretary. He admitted being positive, did not deny it. Arrangements were made to have him work alone, with no further contact with Bolsanaro (or others) for 14 days.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #71)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:03 PM

79. The Guardian article does not

disagree with my info. It states that Bolsanaro is negative, which NPR said. Guardian does not say anything about the press secretary who was the one at Mar a Lago. NPR says the press secretary is positive, which agrees with all other reports.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #79)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:13 PM

82. Okay. Fine. Thanks.

Sorry if I misread it.

So we can conclude IF45 doesn't "have it," then.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 02:40 PM

94. Well, he could have picked it up

from being near that Braziluan press secretary at Mar a Lago, or from surfaces the guy touched.

Since then, the mayor of Miami, who was also in contact with the Brazilian press secretary and with Trump at Mar a Lago, has tested positive.

We cannot know for sure about Trump himself because he says he has not been tested and does not need to be.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #94)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 03:09 PM

97. Right. We cannot know for sure because Trump and his allies lie.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #97)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 03:01 AM

108. Yup.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #94)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:14 AM

104. Of course he doesn't need to be tested.

He is the king. Not only can he not be indicted while in office, he can't get coronavirus either. Pretty cool. I still don't understand why this virus didn't miraculously disappear like he said it would.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

54. Notes from article

The first thing to note is that Korea and Italy have been testing much more widely than other countries. Up until recently, most countries have only been testing people that have visited China.

The second thing to note is that “confirmed cases” is not the total number of cases in that country. “confirmed cases” is the lowest possible number of cases in that country. It’s the lower bound of an estimate.

The third thing to note is that while the number is relatively small right now, cases outside of china are doubling roughly every 5 days.

The reported rate of infection in China is lower, but China has taken drastic quarantine measures, including welding people inside apartment buildings.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:17 AM

14. Oh no. It is coming to our facility too. 2 new cases right in our county.

We only had one last week and she recovered. Stay safe!

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:18 AM

15. Damn, that is alarming

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:20 AM

16. This is Los Angeles county, right?

My wife interacted with a lady from LA buying a house in Austin TX on Wednesday

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:22 AM

17. What hospital? cant find any news story on this

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Response to StopTheNeoCons (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:26 AM

20. I found a couple references

To hospitals setting up tents to deal with a surge of flu patients. Perhaps that is what the OP is referring to.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:23 AM

18. Several friends who are MDs and nurses say that folks with allergies and common colds

are flooding into their offices and ERs freaking out that they may have Covid-19. The fact that the pandemic is occurring just as spring allergy season hits is going to tax medical resources even more.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:28 AM

21. By "it" are you meaning

The seasonal flu, because that is the only news articles I can find about hospitals setting up tents.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:36 PM

52. The thing is WE DON'T REALLY KNOW SINCE THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT TESTING AT ALL

AND THE ASSHATS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE INCOMPETENT FOR GETTING IT SET UP OR THEY REALLY DON'T CARE.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

55. +1

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:56 PM

73. IF THE PATIENTS ARE TESTING

POSITIVE FOR THE FLU THEN WE DO KNOW.

There is more than one active disease at the moment. Both La Mesa and Loma Linda have had tents up since prior to the Covid outbreak because they have had a "worrisome" flu season.

Last month there was a report Loma Linda used one of the flu tents (which they apparently set up every year) to isolate one suspected Covid patient.

Perhaps the tents are being set up for expected Covid patients. Maybe they are for flu patients. Maybe they are for a sudden outbreak of you.

Which hospital they are at, for which disease and if this is a normal yearly action or if it is unusual is what we don't know.

Yes, incompetent asshats are running this circus, but spreading panic with anecdotal information doesn't improve the situation.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 11:42 AM

26. stay safe..Hubby is a Hospital Commsioner..we havent yet hit that level..

..they did open up a recently vacated clinic and turned the whole thing into a flu clinic. Only 3 cases in our County but we butt up against King County and Seattle and we have a fluid University population.




We probably all have it...

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:02 PM

34. My sister in law is in a nursing home after breaking her leg in four places...has not had a good

recovery. She was suspected of having the Corona virus and has been sick for a while now...little better today. There are police at her facility today ...three of them. And they are cleaning like crazy but we have not heard if they have a positive test which they should as I was in the facility the day before yesterday to drop off supplies for DSIL...I am staying home until I know. We have community transfer here in Cuyahoga county (Ohio) but the dumb ass Trumpers are still saying you have to have traveled or know someone who is sick...not enough tests either.

DSIL never had one, and she should have. Her respiratory symptoms are not those of a UTI. Trump is going to make this way worse than it has to be because he is an idiot. Many will die because of him. We were quarantined for two day at first but after she was found to have a UTI,we were off the hook.There was never a test. Hubs had to go back to work or he won't get paid...but both of us fear we have been at the least exposed.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:15 PM

40. What hospital does he work at? I know Long Beach Memorial set up a tent.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:22 PM

42. Not doubting your word, but not seeing that level of distress in the press...

Wouldn't a hospital with emergency tents and trailers on the property be known to the press?

L.A. County health officials confirm 3 new coronavirus cases, bringing total to 32
by: Nisha Gutierrez-Jaime, Mary Beth McDade, Kimberly Cheng
Posted: Mar 12, 2020

See: https://ktla.com/news/l-a-county-health-officials-confirm-3-new-coronavirus-cases-bringing-total-to-32/

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Three new cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in Los Angeles County on Thursday, including two cases suspected of being community transmitted, health officials said. The new cases bring the total number of coronavirus cases in Los Angeles County to 32, including one in Pasadena and four in Long Beach, Dr. Barbara Ferrer, of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, reported at a news conference.

Two out of the new three cases have an "unidentified source of exposure," which Ferrer said is "more evidence of community transmission." The third case is a person exposed by a close contact who tested positive for coronavirus after attending a conference in Washington, D.C.

"People who are identified as positive for COVID-19 are isolated immediately and their close contacts are being quarantined," Ferrer added. One of the three patients is currently hospitalized.

UCLA will have the capacity to test hospital patients, and county public health and commercial labs are also available for coronavirus testing. Results usually take 1-2 days, Ferrer said, adding that all labs are required to report positive cases of the coronavirus to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health for public notification.

Also not seeing any sign of extraordinary alarm on L.A. Times on-line.

KY............

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:28 PM

45. These hospitals are following CDC guidelines

 

Of setting up triage tents to keep potentially sick people from coming into the main hospital building. I’m not sure the OP is aware of that. Have seen it being done in several places.

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:49 PM

66. Yes, but saying "it's everywhere!" about a hospital could be dangerous...

because most people would interpret that to mean the virus has contaminated the entire hospital.

That could lead many people to be scared to death to even go near a hospital if they really needed it...

My main point was that if any hospital was seriously compromised, it would be in the news.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:28 PM

44. I've got typical symptoms. The doctors I'm in touch with are downplaying it and telling me it's flu.

The only symptoms I don't have, are shortness of breath, and fever. But those can be later in the progression. At this point, it's gone from sinuses, to throat. This morning, I woke up and it's a dry cough, and it may be moving into my chest.

I've been prescribed medicine for the cough, and body aches. My doctor has downplayed the need to be tested, and gave an evasive, sidestep answer when I asked about it. This reflects the political clusterfuck reality we're living in today.

Living in San Francisco, my job puts me in touch with an ocean of people from all corners of the world, every day. Of course, I've stopped going to work. I have good Kaiser insurance, with Senior Advantage plan. My inability to get tested is very concerning to me.

At this point, every man / woman / child is on their own.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

53. Best wishes for you, NBachers.

One would think the patient deserves the benefit of a doubt when there's an epidemic disease going around that can be fatal but starts out looking like something more innocent.

If that doc is proven wrong, he could be brought up for malpractice.......

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Response to NBachers (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:41 PM

57. What?

You would think they would at least err on the side of caution considering the evidence we have from China, Italy, Iran, etc.

I mean, telling you its the flu? That sounds familiar, huh? How does that impact infected people and how much caution they would have concerning not spreading it, in this case?

Yes, it does sound like YAOYO, to me. Do we get our taxes refunded for failure to provide and perform crucial and critical services as provided for by the Preamble to the Constitution?

Be Well!

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Response to NBachers (Reply #44)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:58 PM

75. Not to be difficult, but what good would testing do you?

 

If you have the flu, then you stay away from other people. If you have the corona virus.... same thing. You wouldn't necessary be treated any differently if you had the virus. The vast majority of people who get it won't be admitted to the hospital. They would just stay home and drink lots of fluids etc etc.

And every man and woman may be on their own, but children apparently aren't affected at all.

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Response to killaphill (Reply #75)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:04 PM

80. I guess you're right- it's much better to remain ignorant. As far as kids go, according to the CDC:

"While some children and infants have been sick with COVID-19, adults make up most of the known cases to date."

So "children apparently aren't affected at all" in not true.

Being tested would also help make the statistics more reliable. Not getting tested, if I'm positive, means another case that's not on record, thus downplaying the seriousness and hampering tracking of the disease. Reinforcing trump's "See, it's not that bad" lies.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/children-faq.html

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:31 PM

49. So what does thisxworld crisis

do to Trump's plan to host the G7 at Doral?

Looks like he will lose out on anticipated income.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:48 PM

64. Pretty sure that plan got the kibosh a few months ago ...

From what I recall, even the lapdog Senators were going ... ummm ... how about ... no?

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:53 PM

70. So it was too obvious, huh?

However, if the world health situation does not improve before June, it might be cancelled, regardless of where it is supposed to take place.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:57 PM

74. Yes, surprisingly there is SOME limitations on his grifting (nt)

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Fri Mar 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

60. I'm in the Pittsburgh area

Word among the nurses I know is that it’s here even though we have no “official” cases.

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Fri Mar 13, 2020, 01:46 PM

90. Kaiser Baldwin Park

He has worked there 11 years and has never seen tents put up or that many people. He works the night shift.

We don’t know how many cases are here because of the testing issue. Not trying to be alarmist. Just giving info of what he is witnessing. He also said he witnessed people be told to sit in their cars instead of going into the tent even. That’s he level of triage: “wait in your cars” = you’re ok right now, while we deal with worse offs.

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Response to Bluesaph (Reply #90)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:23 AM

105. Thanks for the update.

I hope you folks stay safe. I know this is stressful on you.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:29 AM

106. My bf is a project manager at Kaiser

Bay Area. He’s not having his favorite week. Fortunately, he does most of his work/meetings in conference calls, so he works from home most days.

What I’ve been hearing just passing through the room is mortifying. They’re all hands on deck, and they know it’s going to be a nightmare. The pharmacies are about to get slammed. Forget the hospitals.

Funnily enough, I was in the hospital for pneumonia two weeks ago. I thought I just had bad bronchitis. They took a chest X-ray and put me on IV antiobiotics. Totally fine now, and I didn’t have a fever, so they didn’t suspect the virus (plus no one around me has gotten sick).

It’s odd since I just got a pneumonia vaccine in November. But I get bronchitis often. I work HR in a refrigerated warehouse. I think going in and out from office to cold warehouse was doing a number on me (new job).

But talking with them, you could tell the doctors and nurses were already prepared for some shit. They’re deeply worried.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:49 AM

107. My daughter is a CNA in a hospital here in RI

She says things are quiet for now, but they have stopped all non-emergency procedures and all visitors. People they think have it are isolated right away. I am nervous for her, but I also know that the medical community here is very good. We think things will be very different next week.

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