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Ohiogal

(32,185 posts)
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 02:28 PM Mar 2020

"We need to run a country like a business."

This is one of the best pieces I have ever read to refute that stupid belief.

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At every step of the way, Trump and the conservative media have treated the coronavirus as a PR problem, a political problem, and a business problem. They have tried to downplay the severity of the disease, tell people to continue life like everything is normal, continue flying and going on cruise lines, and boost the markets however possible. Friday’s bizarre press conference was little more than an infomercial for some of the top health-related businesses in the Dow Jones average, with a parade of CEOs talking about their commitment to doing vague somethings about the pandemic right before the closing bell. It worked, at least for now: the Dow surged as a result of the upbeat corporate presentation. For weeks now the administration has slow-played testing under the theory that lower reported numbers would somehow look better and magically change the actual reality on the ground until the problem went away

(snip)

Conservative ideology generally is incapable of handling problems like this. The philosophy of minimal government and just-in-time responses through privatized action is doomed to fail when the challenge requires redundancy, massive public investments, and temporary inconvenience to private sector profiteering. Paying for a pandemic response office, universal healthcare, a larger number of available hospital beds, and such would be inconvenient for some executives and their tax burdens, but it’s invaluable for social justice—and to keep people alive when systems are stressed. The same analogy can be made, but on a much bigger and more consequential scale, for climate change: adopting a Green New Deal may be expensive and inconvenient for some yacht owners today, but it will save millions of lives and trillions of dollars in disaster costs tomorrow.

Republicans and their conservative media allies have become so used to the “sweep-it-under-rug-and-say-whatever-you-have-to” approach to problems that they’ve forgotten how to do anything else. It’s not just a cruel dismissal of the needs of the young, the stranger, and the unfortunate: it’s also an entire culture of refusing to see problems that run contrary to their ideological framework. Every political problem can be solved by providing their base a comfortable alternative reality.

More at link

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/14/trump-is-trying-to-run-a-pandemic-response-like-a-business-with-disastrous-results/

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"We need to run a country like a business." (Original Post) Ohiogal Mar 2020 OP
The business world has not produced good presidents Poiuyt Mar 2020 #1
Exactly shanti Mar 2020 #4
Not sure this will happen, but I'd like to see some historians, philosophers, generalists erronis Mar 2020 #25
They are used to an autocratic system with them at the top DSandra Mar 2020 #7
True, but it's more than that Poiuyt Mar 2020 #23
Those are such great words/thoghts - I wonder if the Founding Fathers really meant them. erronis Mar 2020 #28
And welcome to DU! Poiuyt Mar 2020 #24
Don't forget volstork Mar 2020 #8
+1 crickets Mar 2020 #10
Ha! The "CEO" president who wrecked our economy. PaulRevere08 Mar 2020 #14
It hasn't necessarily produced good business people either. cos dem Mar 2020 #17
Don't forget George W Bush and bankrupted Harken Energy kimbutgar Mar 2020 #27
Thanks for posting TEB Mar 2020 #2
OOB, will work for food? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #3
and have Rick Scott run the medical labs so that he can make even more money. RicROC Mar 2020 #5
Yup! Newest Reality Mar 2020 #6
Run it like the Titanic, stacked by class and life rafts for the top Under The Radar Mar 2020 #9
K&R for visibility. crickets Mar 2020 #11
Trump has bankrupted six businesses... Rollo Mar 2020 #12
Dubya has a MBA and left the economy in ruins. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #13
I'd take another 4 yrs of him over 4 more of dumbass though oldsoftie Mar 2020 #15
Dubya praises Trump's election to the high heavens because he is not the dumbest President anymore. keithbvadu2 Mar 2020 #16
Ha! Isnt it odd how NO former president is ever with trump? Far as I know anyway. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #26
Never planned to control virus, only the message. gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #18
50% of all buisnesses fail. Why do we want a buisnessman as President??? marble falls Mar 2020 #19
We've been doing just that for three years. Different Drummer Mar 2020 #20
Same goes for shadowmayor Mar 2020 #21
When someone shows you who they are? czarjak Mar 2020 #22
These Republicans are samplegirl Mar 2020 #29
"We're running the country like Trump Airlines and Trump Mortgage and Trump Steak and Trump Vodka!" struggle4progress Mar 2020 #30
Spoiler: Businesses are dictatorships FiveGoodMen Mar 2020 #31

erronis

(15,469 posts)
25. Not sure this will happen, but I'd like to see some historians, philosophers, generalists
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

Many will say "What skills do those types of people have to run a country?"

I'll say "A hell of a lot more skills than any of the recent (r)epuglicons have nominated."

DSandra

(999 posts)
7. They are used to an autocratic system with them at the top
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 02:43 PM
Mar 2020

They don't flourish in a job position where they need cooperation from other groups to get things done.

Poiuyt

(18,134 posts)
23. True, but it's more than that
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:17 PM
Mar 2020

The goal of businesses is to create profit and make money for their owners. Government exists for the nonfinancial benefit of its citizens. ("We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...)

erronis

(15,469 posts)
28. Those are such great words/thoghts - I wonder if the Founding Fathers really meant them.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...)


They were mainly well-educated, probably fairly well-off. Did they anticipate a crap-load of trumpist magats wanting to take control of this country?

Rhetorically,
yours.

cos dem

(903 posts)
17. It hasn't necessarily produced good business people either.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:41 PM
Mar 2020

Donald Trump
Ken Lay
Michael Milken
Carl Icahn
Frank Lorenzo
Martin Shkreli

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. Yup!
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020

That's clear and cogent. Thanks.

What looks most likely is that we will have a major recession/depression. The recession will be played up as most important because it reflects the impact on corporate America as the most important aspect of it. That will mean less going into the money vacuum that takes it to the top.

Of course, behind that will be the Second Great Depression, which was only waiting for a major crises to happen. When half of America takes a sledgehammer blow to the gut, well, that's a recession to the winners, but a depression for the rest. Our weakest links are vast in quantity and they were some fuel for the success of the Captains of Industry who will be in the luxury lifeboats, assuring those drowsing it is just a downturn by yelling slogans into megaphones and bashing their fingers with hammers as they grab for flotation devices.

For now, it will be placating the gullible, (easy) and mitigating panic in order to delay what happens when the reality of this sinks in. It will be unavoidably obvious, but the Right Wing will be laboring, sweating and straining to keep the focus on Wall St, etc. while spewing toxins that cloud the inconvenient and unavoidable facts of the matter. When Main St. goes belly up, you can't hide that for long.

It will be a 50/50 as long as crown management continues: Recession/Depression, and it just depends on which side of the coin you are looking at and who is talking.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
12. Trump has bankrupted six businesses...
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 03:45 PM
Mar 2020

...and seems determined to do the same thing to this nation...

keithbvadu2

(37,044 posts)
16. Dubya praises Trump's election to the high heavens because he is not the dumbest President anymore.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:40 PM
Mar 2020

Dubya praises Trump's election to the high heavens because he is not the dumbest President anymore.

oldsoftie

(12,670 posts)
26. Ha! Isnt it odd how NO former president is ever with trump? Far as I know anyway.
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 05:28 PM
Mar 2020

Thats never happened in history i bet
I know they're together at funerals, but thats kind of a forced thing.
W has been with Obama more than trump. THAT speaks volumes.

marble falls

(57,502 posts)
19. 50% of all buisnesses fail. Why do we want a buisnessman as President???
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 04:50 PM
Mar 2020

<snip>

One thing for sure, a business almost always fails because of the entrepreneur.

“It’s not the plan that is important, it’s the planning.” Dr. Graeme Edwards

There are over 28 million small businesses in the United States, according to the SBA.

It’s an impressive number. The sad reality is that only about 50% of them survive. What’s worse is that only about one-third survive 10 years or more. The life of an entrepreneur is unforgiving. It is a constant challenge. There are many moving parts. Any one of them could put you out of business.

<snip>

https://www.successharbor.com/why-some-businesses-fail-while-others-succeed-02132015/


That's the problem we're having, Donnie Two Scoops IS running the country like a buisness: Trump University or TrumpAir, Trump Wines ........

https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019

6 Corporate Bankruptcies

Trump has filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his companies six times. Three of the casino bankruptcies came during the recession of the early 1990s and the Gulf War, both of which contributed to hard times in Atlantic City, New Jersey's gambling facilities.

He also entered a Manhattan hotel and two casino holding companies into bankruptcy.

Chapter 11 bankruptcy allows companies to restructure or wipe away much of their debt to other companies, creditors, and shareholders while remaining in business but under the supervision of a bankruptcy court.

Chapter 11 is often called "reorganization" because it allows the business to emerge from the process more efficient and on good terms with its creditors.

samplegirl

(11,525 posts)
29. These Republicans are
Sun Mar 15, 2020, 06:49 PM
Mar 2020

facing the harsh reality a pandemic is not something they can sweep under the rug!

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