An indisputable fact that has emerged with this pandemic

[lunatica]

We’re all vulnerable AND we’re all carriers. We’re both victims and killers at the same time, if only in potential.

We need to remember that the actions we take to protect ourselves are also protecting those people around us. This isn’t something DUers don’t understand, but I think there are millions of people who just don’t get it. They think that if they’re healthy they’ll survive if they get sick, but they don’t understand that if they have the Coronavirus they are capable of killing their friends, family and colleagues.

We are ALL ACCOUNTABLE with this disease! In this sense we can see that we are all connected on this planet, both as victims and simultaneously as killers. It’s important to keep this in mind because what every single one of us does out in this world is literally a matter of life and death.

[RockRaven]

1. Your post reminds me of that piece of advice someone posted about the other day:

Don't behave like you are trying to avoid catching the disease. Behave like you already have the disease and are trying not to spread it.

[lunatica]

2. It definitely bears repeating often

It’s crucial to understand the duality we all exist in with this pandemic. We aren’t one or the other, victim or carrier. We are both so we must behave with this as a fact of life.

[crickets]

4. +1

[ancianita]

12. +1

[Butterflylady]

14. That's what I'm doing.

[Niagara]

3. +1000

[Moostache]

5. Just wait...there are viruses out there that can potentially be far, far worse than this...

Humanity is on a glide path to extinction because of our utter lack of respect for nature and the natural world. Antibiotics are in terminal decline for effectiveness, with some strains already on the verge of being untreatable once more - sending us back to the world we had BEFORE penicillin...and that was BEFORE emergent viruses began to get more frequent and obviously more severe - from Ebola to SARS to MERS to COVID-19.

Climate change; antibiotic resistance; soil loss; insect, bird and fish population implosions during the 6th mass extinction underway...it will be a miracle just to get to 2030, but I'll be honest, I am more concerned right now about just getting through the spring and into the summer and I am terrified of the fall already...

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue... (momentary retreat to silliness is mandatory for me right now):

[lunatica]

9. I hear ya!

Being woke during our species extinction is scary as hell!

[IronLionZion]

6. Follow this advice

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213100884

Since we can carry it without showing any symptoms or realizing it. Always do what we can to avoid spreading it to others.

We all have to change our behavior.

[dalton99a]

7. From today's paper in Science:

(SARS-CoV-2 is the virus that causes COVID-19)

[Orrex]

8. Really? Just today I've been told to mind my own business about it

That I shouldn't concern myself with how others are acting or how their actions might affect me.

Silly me for going about it all wrong! I've been taking precautions and washing my hands and limiting contact, when all I really needed to do is mind my own business!


k/r

[lunatica]

10. Well stupidity does not make you immune.

And, as we all know, up you can’t cure stupid.

[lunasun]

31. When one is in a world alone myob works well but we are all connected. Don't let The Downers get you

off track of doing what is right for all
Think if our local government officials did this and just said hey people can do what they want
Many of the closures are to ensure compliance because that’s what it has come down to now

[Bmoboy]

11. born in a golden bubble

I am lucky, I guess.

White, American male, stocked fridge in a mortgage free home.

So what? I'm still scared and almost 70.

What about all the little towns all over the world with no hospitals?

Too many people with none of my advantages.

Yet I mourn that I may never see my sons again.

[lunatica]

13. I'm very lucky too

I’m retired and own my condo outright. I live on SS and a pension which is not tied to Wall Street. I’m 71 and I’m very healthy. I’m also a shut in by choice so staying home is just another day for me. My son died a few years ago so I’m alone. I live in grief since he died.

[LuckyCharms]

16. I'm sorry for your loss, lunatica.

[lunatica]

20. Thank you, LuckyCharms

I appreciate your kind words.

[Evolve Dammit]

19. I am so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine losing a child. Take good care of you.

[lunatica]

21. Thank you

It’s pretty bad.

Thanks.

[Evolve Dammit]

35. You are not alone. Take care and reach out if you need anything.

[lunatica]

36. I'm OK.

I’ve lived alone for a while, and I prefer it. I’m pretty much of a hermit and happy about it. Thanks!

[JudyM]

25. My heart goes out to you.

I really felt the emotion in your words. I hope your heart is also feeling some good memories in with the grieving, lunatica.

[lunatica]

32. Thank you for your kind words

I have wonderful memories of my son and feel quite privileged to have been lucky enough to be his mother. He is worth the pain of the grief that I feel. It’s a strange statement, but I feel it honors his importance.

[JudyM]

37. Not strange, it's tender and poignant.

I have experienced grief that way, too. There is something reverential about those deep memories in the heart. To me, when I am able to hold them without as much pain, they feel like hugs.

[lunatica]

38. Thank you

Did you lose a child too?

[JudyM]

39. No,

my dad, less than 2 years ago. Miss him a lot.

[lunatica]

40. I feel the same way about my mother

[Rorey]

26. I'm so sorry,

I'd give you a hug if I could.

[lunatica]

33. I accept your hug!

Thank you. All hugs are welcomed and back at you!

[cwydro]

15. Then go to your local food bank and donate some canned goods, paper products etc.

They can use it.

[Bmoboy]

42. Great idea

I have learned not to brag about my good deeds.

[Delphinus]

28. Welcome to DU!

I hear what you are saying - we must be cognizant of others. We are truly all one.

[Victor_c3]

17. .2% death rate for my age group isn't zero

2 people out of 1,000 healthy people my age will die, given the current statistics. Low odds, but still not 0%.

[lunatica]

22. You"re right. No age group is exempt

But every age group are equal in their ability to infect others.

[Evolve Dammit]

18. Well said. Thank you

[hangaleft]

23. You're preaching to the choir

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

It’s the assholes like that Kentuckian who tested positive and refused to self-quarantine that have to be reached. And, unfortunately, they never will be. *They’re* the real killers. Guilty of negligent manslaughter. Literally felons.

[lunatica]

24. You've made my point for me

The only difference between that man and us is that we understand that he will kill his family and friends. He’s obviously unwilling to learn that. Yet I bet he’s armed to the teeth, ready to shoot people dead in order to protect his family. Now he will be their worst threat.

[fierywoman]

27. Ubuntu (which I believe means): I am because you are.

[Delphinus]

29. I need to learn this word -

it's so true!

[lunatica]

34. Thanks for teaching me such a conceptual word.

“I am because you are.” For joy as well as for sorrow.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

30. My husband, who in most ways is pretty damn wonderful,

does not seem to get this. For instance, he has gone to the grocery store 3 times in the past week. Not telling me ahead of time even of his plans. I only discovered this from checking our credit card online statement. I pointed out that any trips for food need to be planned and discussed to make the most of them and eliminate need for trips in the near future.

I know there is some confusion as to how to best handle this situation, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this.

[uponit7771]

41. K&R, We need unrestricted testing and isolation !!! We can't get that right now so we're screwed