Trump signals change in coronavirus strategy that could clash with health experts (Guardian)

[bronxiteforever]

By Edward Helmore
March 23, 2020

... Writing in capital letters in a tweet late on Sunday, Donald Trump said: “We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. At the end of the 15-day period” – of White House guidelines to enforce social distancing and other measures which began a week ago, on 16 March – “we will make a decision as to which way we want to go.”

Mike Pence, who heads the White House coronavirus taskforce, said earlier in the day the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) would issue guidance on Monday meant to allow people already exposed to the coronavirus to return to work sooner.

“The consequences of this national shutdown, apart from any pandemic, are dire and will not be materially alleviated by any ‘stimulus’ and [government] spending,” tweeted Tom Fitton, a conservative commentator known to influence the president’s thinking. “The only stimulus that will work is opening America back up for business.”... The surgeon general, Dr Jerome Adams, urged Americans to stay indoors on NBC’s Today show Monday morning. “I want America to understand this week it’s going to get bad,” he said. “We really need to come together as a nation … we really really need everyone to stay at home.”

More here

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/trump-social-distancing-coronavirus-rules-guidelines-economy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[area51]

1. Dementia Donnie is trying to kill Americans. n/t

[Srkdqltr]

2. Everything Trump touches dies.

[duforsure]

3. Is he intentionally trying to make this worse

By lying claiming things HE knows is untrue. Promoting putins propaganda, and ignoring public safe practices, and guidelines. He's caused this to be worse, spread more, incited others against the Chinese, dragged his feet helping, by claiming its a hoax? Just like this stimulus , they'll get an agreement made in the House and Senate, then he'll interfere claiming something that's bs , when it'll be something helping him, not us. Democrats need to tell him to go to hell,but trump is sadistic and watch more die, and financially suffer. Trump doesn't give a dam about others, and only cares about himself and how to lie promoting himself, and propaganda for Putin.

[marble falls]

4. Jackass, still thinking of corporations and not the health of voters.

[Drahthaardogs]

5. He is going to kill us all

Holy Shit

[spanone]

6. It's all about his re-election...nothing else

and he thinks he knows more than the doctors....

[gembaby1]

7. Trump is jealous 🤡

He resents the US only being number three on the list of countries that have the most cases of Covid-19. He’s determined to be number one!

[OnDoutside]

9. It's going to happen regardless....

[Bayard]

8. Call his on-going, "press conferences", what they are--

Campaigning.

[malaise]

10. There's a fucking lunatic at the top

Staying in power matters more than who dies.

It's time for the strait jacket. If yesterday pitiful rant isn't enough, this should sort it out.

[DeminPennswoods]

11. Right now just too many decisions are being made without much

hard data.

The last info from PA Dept of Health showed about 10% of all tests came back positive.

Statewide, there are 479 cases of COVID-19 reported from commercial, hospital and state labs. There are 4,964 patients who have tested negative, and two total deaths

By my arithmetic that's a total of 5441 making the rate of infection of symptomatic individuals about 9%.

In MontCo, which is kind of the "epicenter" in PA, the rate of infection of symptomatic individuals is about 16% (110 of 680) with another 145 residents registered for tests. At 16% that would add another 23 confirmed cases.

[bronxiteforever]

12. Don't worry. Trump will make sure that we all get it soon.

Then we will be breathing in all the data we want.

[DeminPennswoods]

13. So you think decisions should be made

without data? I get that the lack of testing had lead to a lot of this, but I would like to know what assumptions are being made in the models and what on what hard data they are based.

I live in an area that should be ripe for covid-19, lots of 65+ residents with a lifetime of breathing whatever was belched out of the smokestacks of our many mills. Business has pretty much been as usual. There are some precautions and people are generally being careful, but people are out grocery shopping, etc. Yet there are only 3 cases and this after a "drive through" site was set up about a week ago and another a few days ago. Where are the comparisons between counties like mine and the ones where there are a number of cases? Even in Montgomery County, which is the state's hot spot, the cases are concentrated in two municipalities. Why? This is the kind of data and analysis we should have when trying to make decisions.

[bronxiteforever]

14. I did not write that "decisions should be made

Without data”. There is no quote of mine extant in the annals of the World Wide Web where I would have ever written that. I believe and have written quite the opposite. I prefer to listen to scientists and epidemiologists who believe they need more data before undoing restrictions. The point is they can’t answer the question of hotspots but we do know that we will be catching up to Italy soon. Spain is seeing the wave crash there. Why?

The point is that Orange Plague 45 has enough data because and I predict we will see restrictions lifted and we will all be the guinea pigs soon.

Here is a list of all positive pa cases tested as of yesterday.
Pennsylvania counties impacted to date include:

• Adams County: 6 patients
• Allegheny County: 48 patients
• Beaver County: 3 patients
• Berks County: 14 patients
• Bucks County: 43 patients
• Butler County: 5 patients
• Cambria County: 1 patient
• Centre County: 3 patients
• Chester County: 40 patients
• Columbia County: 1 patient
• Cumberland County: 12 patients
• Dauphin County: 1 patient
• Delaware County: 54 patients
• Erie County: 3 patients
• Fayette County: 1 patient
• Franklin County: 1 patient
• Lackawanna County: 7 patients
• Lancaster County: 5 patients
• Lebanon County: 3 patients
• Lehigh County: 25 patients
• Luzerne County: 10 patients
• Mercer County: 1 patient
• Monroe County: 43 patients
• Montgomery County: 129 patients
• Montour County: 1 patient
• Northampton County: 23 patients
• Philadelphia County: 128 patients
• Pike County: 3 patients
• Potter County: 1 patient
• Schuylkill County: 1 patient
• Washington County: 7 patients
• Wayne County: 3 patients
• Westmoreland County: 6 patients
• York County: 10 patients

Here is a map to follow the cases
https://www.wgal.com/article/pennsylvania-coronavirus-map-lancaster-york-harrisburg/31906335