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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:20 AM Mar 2020

Can people please stop calling a Poisson distribution a "bell curve"?

More to the point, can everyone please stop sharing articles that refer to the curve in the graph as a "bell curve"? It's not a bell curve. It's not Gaussian. A time series can't be Gaussian. It's a Poisson distribution and is completely different.

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Can people please stop calling a Poisson distribution a "bell curve"? (Original Post) Recursion Mar 2020 OP
pitchforks meet ocean... lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #1
That's been bugging the hell out of me too. :) Hoyt Mar 2020 #2
Dunno. This "Poisson" theory seems fishy to me. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #3
C'est vrai DFW Mar 2020 #21
I thought the Poisson curve was defined by ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #33
Et ses dimensions DFW Mar 2020 #35
K&R canetoad Mar 2020 #4
Maybe when even some physicians stop conflating anesthetic machines providing PASSIVE OXYGEN hlthe2b Mar 2020 #5
One man's meat is another man's Poisson jberryhill Mar 2020 #6
Who cares what they call it as long as people understand it's meaning. boston bean Mar 2020 #7
Because words matter in science and math. PCIntern Mar 2020 #8
Get a grip. boston bean Mar 2020 #9
You get a grip. PCIntern Mar 2020 #10
I have a grip. boston bean Mar 2020 #11
From here on out all teeth are bicuspids. Codeine Mar 2020 #28
Great! PCIntern Mar 2020 #32
You're right and you're wrong PJMcK Mar 2020 #15
To be fair, if they don't even know what it is Codeine Mar 2020 #16
They understand the point of the curve and the importance of flattening it. boston bean Mar 2020 #20
But that's kind of the point. The two distributions mean different things. yardwork Mar 2020 #18
They understand the point. The word for it is of less importance. boston bean Mar 2020 #19
It's different, actually. The distributions mean different things. yardwork Mar 2020 #24
What the hell difference does it make at this time? boston bean Mar 2020 #27
I swear I never will again. Huh? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #12
I am open to being educated. Laelth Mar 2020 #13
A bell curve is symmetrical and extends infinitely in both directions Recursion Mar 2020 #14
Funny RobinA Mar 2020 #17
This is what poisson distribution looks like in real life DFW Mar 2020 #23
Your explanation is a bit fishy. nt Codeine Mar 2020 #29
I gotta spend more time in Paris DFW Mar 2020 #34
Correct, but no one will care... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #22
The masses think that the "bell curve" is the only distribution because of the Charles Murray book. Yavin4 Mar 2020 #25
Did this just start happening today? Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #26
Me either. Tipperary Mar 2020 #31
Okay. now I know something I never needed to know in 72 years on the planet. rzemanfl Mar 2020 #30
Because most people know what a bell curve is and if you said Poisson they would say wtf is that. GemDigger Mar 2020 #36
FFS, this is what bothers you? Nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #37
No problem for me. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2020 #38

hlthe2b

(102,235 posts)
5. Maybe when even some physicians stop conflating anesthetic machines providing PASSIVE OXYGEN
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:37 AM
Mar 2020

with MECHANICAL VENTILATORS. And it is Dr. Birx, not Brix! And RT-PCR detects viral nucleic acid, NOT antibodies. And maybe some of the amateur epidemiologists can stop conflating CASE-FATALITY with MORTALITY RATES.

I've got a lot of them building up, but...deep breathing...

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
8. Because words matter in science and math.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:12 AM
Mar 2020

The distinctions become important. If you’re gonna write/expound on it you may as well get it right.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
10. You get a grip.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:17 AM
Mar 2020

No wonder nobody gets anything right. Nothing matters.

I’d like to go into your workplace and use misnomers for everything all day. I’m sure you’d be pleased...

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
28. From here on out all teeth are bicuspids.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:49 AM
Mar 2020

As long as we know what tooth we’re talking about who cares what we call it?

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
15. You're right and you're wrong
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:23 AM
Mar 2020

Words don't mean much of anything anymore. Trump and the Republicans have turned language upside down in Orwellian ways.

But it's not just in politics. Recently, there was an article in Vox about the Chinese lunar rover that is exploring the side of the Moon that faces away from the Earth. (I suspect you know that the Moon is tidally locked to the Earth and the same side always faces us.)

The author referred to that side as "the dark side of the Moon." When I pointed out to him that the Moon rotates and all of it gets sunshine so he should have called it "the far side of the Moon," he excused himself by saying it was a colloquial expression. When I responded that he was writing a SCIENCE column, he responded, so what? Even NASA refers to the far side in colloquial terms.

Words lose their meanings when they are constantly misused.

Here's one that pisses me off: The misuse of "skim" and "scan." Too often, people will say, "I didn't read the whole thing. I scanned it." Those two statements are mutually exclusive. To skim means to skip over the top, like skimming the cream off the top of un-homogenized milk. To scan means to peruse in great detail, like the computer device known as a scanner.

It drives me crazy because it shows that people don't know what words mean. Or it means that words have no meanings. If that's true, then how do we communicate?

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
20. They understand the point of the curve and the importance of flattening it.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:00 AM
Mar 2020

It doesn’t mean a damn thing to harp on proper word for the curve.

People who study curves have at it.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
19. They understand the point. The word for it is of less importance.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:56 AM
Mar 2020

Sort of like when gun bumpers harp on people for not knowing the difference between a magazine and a clip.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
24. It's different, actually. The distributions mean different things.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:25 AM
Mar 2020

This is quite different from using a different word for a part of a gun.

These words mean different things. A Poisson distribution is different from a bell curve distribution.

Misstating scientific facts misleads people, like saying a set of things add up to ten when they actually add up to one hundred.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
27. What the hell difference does it make at this time?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:49 AM
Mar 2020

This is the absolute least of our worries. Correcting people on the proper verbiage, is a waste of time and effort.

People know what it means to flatten the curve nor matter if they add bell before the word curve in error.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. I am open to being educated.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:53 AM
Mar 2020

What's the difference between a bell curve and a poisson distribution?

Looks like a bell curve to me, and the point of social distancing is to flatten that curve so that health care delivery systems are not overwhelmed.



-Laelth

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. A bell curve is symmetrical and extends infinitely in both directions
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:57 AM
Mar 2020

A Poisson distribution has a beginning point in time. Also they're just different curves; it's like the difference in a triangle and an octagon -- they're just different things.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
17. Funny
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:48 AM
Mar 2020

I thought this the first time I saw it but went, that's not a bell curve, but OK. I didn't know anything about a Poisson distribution, now I can learn something!

DFW

(54,369 posts)
23. This is what poisson distribution looks like in real life
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:15 AM
Mar 2020

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C'est compris maintenant?

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
25. The masses think that the "bell curve" is the only distribution because of the Charles Murray book.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 AM
Mar 2020

The Poisson distrubution:

In probability theory and statistics, the Poisson distribution (French pronunciation: ​[pwasɔ̃]; in English often rendered /ˈpwɑːsɒn/), named after French mathematician Siméon Denis Poisson, is a discrete probability distribution that expresses the probability of a given number of events occurring in a fixed interval of time or space if these events occur with a known constant mean rate and independently of the time since the last event.[1] The Poisson distribution can also be used for the number of events in other specified intervals such as distance, area or volume.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
30. Okay. now I know something I never needed to know in 72 years on the planet.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:55 AM
Mar 2020

Let's see if I remember it....

GemDigger

(4,305 posts)
36. Because most people know what a bell curve is and if you said Poisson they would say wtf is that.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:39 AM
Mar 2020

Don't let it get your BP up, it isn't worth it.

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