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Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:11 PM Mar 2020

From the NIH

New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces - National Institutes of Health (NIH)
Excerpt: ...The virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is stable for several hours to days in aerosols (the air) and on surfaces, according to a new study from National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists in The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols (sneeze and cough spray) for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects...
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-coronavirus-

Wear masks people:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=13155882

My masks are starting to show up in mailboxes. 2 dozen friends and family protected thus far. This is what it feels like to work in a sweatshop -- literally. Glad I ignored earlier advice about protecting ourselves in an emergency.

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From the NIH (Original Post) Generic Other Mar 2020 OP
The odds of getting infected are astranomical. procon Mar 2020 #1
Purification by fire. Just pour lighter fluid on it and light it up. 🔥 TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #2
I am mailing them and warning people about proper opening Generic Other Mar 2020 #4
NHS has crashed? Just tried to visit site. Miigwech Mar 2020 #3
Whoa Generic Other Mar 2020 #5
Not sure but the site is giving page errors Miigwech Mar 2020 #6
Me too Generic Other Mar 2020 #7
Be Careful With The interpretation ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #8
So we must remove our shoes outside. Wear inside slippers Generic Other Mar 2020 #9
The Lingering Stuff Wasn't The Aerosol ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #11
I washed the soles of my shoes in isopropyl alcohol Generic Other Mar 2020 #12
Air transmission chowder66 Mar 2020 #10

procon

(15,805 posts)
1. The odds of getting infected are astranomical.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:40 PM
Mar 2020

How does anyone risk leaving home without being clad on a full Tyvek suit with hood and respirator? Do you risk picking up your amazon boxes or taking any delivery inside your home knowing that it has the potential to infect you and your family.

So I don't go out to shop. The stuff I order gets dropped in my big wagon I leave out at the drive gate. I get the wagon and pull it up to the drive apron and leave it outside or in the garage for at least 24 for cardboard.

When the boxes are opened I will still have to take additional precautions to match the packages inside. I have a small supply of ordinary masks and gloves to do the unpacking. I dont know if it's good enough, but that's my best workaround to keep us safe.

There are some really crazy days head.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
4. I am mailing them and warning people about proper opening
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020

disposing of manila envelopes, washing masks, etc. Trying to be very careful. I also wash all my incoming mail with an alcohol wipe after they arrive and dispose of the envelopes. My mailbox is down the street. I walk them over. So far, no complaints. Not even licking the envelope. Crazy how we do these things without even thinking...

I have a stamp collection full of old mint condition stamps that are amazingly only worth face value. LOL. So I mail them free.

ProfessorGAC

(65,016 posts)
8. Be Careful With The interpretation
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 04:53 PM
Mar 2020

No matter how pernicious this virus is, it cannot defy the laws of gravity.
Aerosols cannot stay suspended in air for hours.
The virus may still be active, but the virus containing micro droplets are not immune to gravity.
They will settle on surfaces, which has been the warning all along. Absent of course, someone annexing too close to you.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
9. So we must remove our shoes outside. Wear inside slippers
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:02 PM
Mar 2020

My mom was a hair hopper. Hairspray aerosol lingered in our bathroom hours after she exited. Just sayin...LOL.

The masks do help in maintaining social distance. They make a person feel slightly safer from Trumpees who refuse to take any precautions. Nothing is perfect, but Japan has far fewer infections and they all wear masks.

ProfessorGAC

(65,016 posts)
11. The Lingering Stuff Wasn't The Aerosol
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 07:33 AM
Mar 2020

It was the volatile organics in the spray.
That's what you were noticing. The droplets themselves don't suspend for hours.
Gravity works! Well, unless you ask Trump! His gut tells him gravity isn't real!

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
12. I washed the soles of my shoes in isopropyl alcohol
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:38 PM
Mar 2020

after venturing out for supplies last night. Thanks for the advice.

chowder66

(9,068 posts)
10. Air transmission
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:56 PM
Mar 2020

Snip.....

The aerosol data presented in the study has been another major cause for concern, with some suggesting it means the virus is potentially more transmissible through the air than previously thought. Again, this impression has somewhat been fostered by press releases stating, “The study suggests that people may acquire the coronavirus through the air.”

Neeltje van Doremalen, an NIH scientist working on the new study, has clearly stressed her team’s research does not function as evidence of aerosol transmission. But, the published study also notes the research affirms the plausibility of aerosol transmission.

“Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours,” the published study concludes.

Otto Yang, an infectious disease specialist from UCLA Medical Center, points out the chasm between something being scientifically plausible, but also simultaneously very unlikely. In an expansive post discussing how many are misinterpreting this new study, Yang says the data in the research may be technically true but it can also be misleading.

“Their statement that aerosol transmission is 'plausible' is very misleading, although not technically false,” Yang wrote. “It’s like saying that winning the Powerball lottery is plausible ... yes, it can happen, and can even happen every time if you stack the odds by buying 292,201,338 tickets (every possible combination) in an experimental test. However, is that experiment relevant to real-world conditions? 'Plausible' doesn’t mean it happens.”


https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/covid19-novel-coronavirus-surfaces-days-aerosol-transmission/

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