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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-florida-coronavirus-deputies-infections-20200327-dhqwj7obzfbjldo7roewdd35h4-story.htmlFlorida coronavirus updates: Four dead on cruise ship heading to Fort Lauderdale
By Marc Freeman and Lisa J. Huriash
South Florida Sun Sentinel |
Mar 27, 2020 | 2:03 PM
Four passengers have died aboard a Holland America cruise ship that soon may make its way to Port Everglades, the liner announced Friday.
Holland America said four older guests" died on the Zaandam, but didnt say whether the new coronavirus was the cause.
The ship has nearly 140 people become sick, including some with respiratory symptoms. On Thursday, several were tested for the coronavirus and two people tested positive. The company didnt say whether the two who tested positive were among the four passengers who died.
A Miramar couple aboard the ship adrift at sea said the captain also announced the four deaths.
The ship was prohibited from disembarking in Chile and is now seeking to make its way to Fort Lauderdale. That plan has drawn the wrath of Browards county commission, which is considering turning it away.
Cliff Kolber and his wife Doris, who left on their South America cruise in early March, said the captain on the Zaandam said at 11 a.m. that healthy people over age 70 will be evacuated to a second cruise line. Nobody is allowed to contact guest services to ask about themselves, the couple said.
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Jirel
(2,018 posts)Look, I know that not every cruise ship is going to become a plague ship. But between the 17 days of lingering virus found on a ship, and the unknowns on the ship with you, is there REALLY a good reason to play Russian Roulette? You're on the seas, there is no advanced medical support available, and chances are you'll be either turned away from ports or stuck at one for days or more while the authorities figure out what they want to do with the nasty epidemic on board. Taking a cruise right now is DUMB.
ffr
(22,670 posts)It is Russian Roulette though.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I'm surprised Ft. Lauderdale will allow them to disembark.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)With other nasty GI viruses ripping through them.
still_one
(92,190 posts)tblue37
(65,342 posts)Igel
(35,304 posts)31 day cruise. They departed 3/7/20.
Likely mostly Americans, they would have left for Argentine on 3/5/20 or, if they wanted to see Argentina first, earlier.
Hard to think back to state of mind on COVID on 3/1. The present bleeds into the past. But most things were not shut.
One source reports 0 new cases on 3/1, and a relative handful before that. (Then again, with testing being what it was.)
First US deaths occurred 2/29/20 in Washington State. And how that made the news out of the country ... Dunno.
Question is how did it get onto the ship? Did it walk on with the passengers on day 1, as seems likely given incubation period and frequent time to death? From crew? At port of call? Currently their itinerary puts them off the coast of Peru.
Chile let Ft. Lauderdale off the hook a large extent, though.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Offloading healthy passengers to a sister ship
KayF
(1,345 posts)I remember being a little surprised how flatly he said it. So on March 7 or March 5, I don't think it's as crazy as it now sounds.
Just to give a little perspective on the timing...
renate
(13,776 posts)He seems to think that tourism dollars and keeping the state open for business are more important than slowing the pandemic.
Igel
(35,304 posts)Consistency would say he wouldn't.
But humanitarian concerns would require that the county board welcome them with open arms, you'd think. All (D).
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)He is a Florida snowbird. Hopefully, he is on his way to Oklahoma to visit our youngest brother. It's too early to return to Michigan and maybe too late to stay in place.
I'm the only member of my immediate family who is a Democrat.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)The cruise industry can simply go away, as far as I'm concerned.
jimfields33
(15,794 posts)Its also an affordable vacation for a family. Food, lodging, entertainment all at one price.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Seems like history repeating itself in a horrible way.
As the M.S. St. Louis cruised off the coast of Miami in June 1939, its passengers could see the lights of the city glimmering. But the United States hadnt been on the ships original itinerary, and its passengers didnt have permission to disembark in Florida. As the more than 900 Jewish passengers looked longingly at the twinkling lights, they hoped against hope that they could land.
Those hopes would soon be dashed by immigration authorities, sending the ship back to Europe. And then, nearly a third of the passengers on the St. Louis were murdered.
Most of the ships 937 passengers were Jews trying to escape Nazi Germany. Though World War II had not yet begun, the groundwork for the Holocaust was already being laid in Germany, where Jewish people faced harassment, discrimination and political persecution. But though the danger faced by the passengers was clear, they were turned down by immigration authorities, first by Cuba, then the United States and Canada. For many on the St. Louis, that rejection was a death sentence.
https://www.history.com/news/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939
Celerity
(43,356 posts)SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)they need to land somewhere at this point, get people into quarantine or hospital, and get on with it.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Many became victims of the NAZI killing machine. Leaving those people on this cruise ship is just as reprehensible. We never seem to evolve morally.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We should not leave them adrift, this from a Florida resident, that isn't who we are. But they shouldn't expect to be on their way in two weeks, either.
crickets
(25,979 posts)Freddie
(9,265 posts)They catered to an older clientele. The cruises were not cheap and they were a class act all the way.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)unfortunately. They were once Dutch owned and operated.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Carnival Corporation was incorporated in Panama but is operated out of Doral, Florida - but there is an equal British branch, Carnival plc.
Over the years, Carnival has acquired a number of other cruise lines from various nations. I don't know if those subsidiaries retain their original ports of registry for their ships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_Corporation_%26_plc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Zaandam
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)Bull fucking shit.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)BComplex
(8,051 posts)He hasn't issued any type of stay-at-home order, and schools are open there.
malaise
(268,997 posts)but then it's DeSantis and his idiots.
I heard a Jamaican man on radio today - he's on one of the ships close to the Bahamas - a Carnival one - say the Jamaican staff members want to come home - they are begging for help. No country will let them dock.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Ships. It's cured my thought of going on one.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)jimfields33
(15,794 posts)I watched the whole thing. Ive been on 20 cruises. I think the pay is bad but the tips the workers get are pretty great. Each passenger is required to give tips on their on board account that is a daily rate. Other then that it was a factual documentary with humor.
Chainfire
(17,537 posts)Would tell these people to go somewhere else. Perhaps along with the government we deserve, we are getting the aliment we deserve to go with it.
TeamPooka
(24,226 posts)Goodheart
(5,324 posts)I feel for those people.
mcar
(42,329 posts)Floridians. They left Mar 6 for the cruise because - wait for it - Gov. DeSantis and Pres. Trump both said everything was AOK.