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RandySF

(58,811 posts)
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:25 AM Mar 2020

Oil prices plunge to 17-year lows as demand drop threatens to overwhelm storage facilities.

Global crude oil prices tanked Monday amid continued concerns over the coronavirus pandemic's impact on energy demand and the ongoing price war between Russia and Saudi Arabia.

West Texas Intermediate (WTI), the US benchmark dropped below $20 a barrel in Asian trading while Brent crude hit $23.03, its lowest price since 2002.

Both sets of futures regained some of their early losses in European trading hours but remain down. Brent crude is down 6.2% at $26.23 while WTI is down 5.7% at $20.21 as of 9.00 a.m. in London (4.00 a.m. ET).

"There is potential this could go even lower as supply starts to flood storage space which could fill in the next month as a result of the combination of higher supply from the price war and lower global demand," Joe Healey, Investment Research Analyst at The Share Centre said in a morning note.

The widespread lockdown across much of Europe and North America has seen demand plunge while traders estimate that the market is pumping out a surplus of around 25 million barrels per day.




https://www.businessinsider.com/crude-oil-prices-plunge-price-war-storage-and-coronavirus-fears-2020-3

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Oil prices plunge to 17-year lows as demand drop threatens to overwhelm storage facilities. (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2020 OP
What will happen very soon is refinery's will be shut down duforsure Mar 2020 #1
Why would they be changing over to sour? Amishman Mar 2020 #2
Gas here still over $3 per gallon intrepidity Mar 2020 #3
It was $2.11 here on Saturday Rorey Mar 2020 #4
Really? Where? ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #8
As low as $1.39 here in MA Blue_Adept Mar 2020 #10
Gas running about $1.66 in central Ohio Maeve Mar 2020 #5
Funny. I paid $2.98 yesterday Promisep Mar 2020 #6
Where are you? BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #11
I haven't bought gas in over two weeks now. tnlurker Mar 2020 #7
Gas in the low 2.20s here in PA, but DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #9
Might be that cheap over on your side of the state but not over here in the east. BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #12
While we can go to Ohio, you guys can hop over DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #13
But see -- here is the tricky thing about crossing a bridge to go to Jersey BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #15
Gee, and crossing the Tacony-Palmira bridge used to cost DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #16
Yeah, the old "double-nickel" bridge is now $4 BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #17
Thought it was because everyone was using it DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #18
LOL BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #19
1.59 in OH today Mendocino Mar 2020 #14

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
1. What will happen very soon is refinery's will be shut down
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 04:42 AM
Mar 2020

Or run at minimum speeds, but they will shut down many soon until the demand returns. Some will take advantage and do some work while this is happening to update and do maintenance and repairs if they can . Some oil companies will be gone from this and fold or be bought out from this event. They may upgrade some refinery's to be able to run more sour crude as their price for it from the prince is so low now.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
2. Why would they be changing over to sour?
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:00 AM
Mar 2020

Shale oil is light sweet, extremely so from some fields. Our domestic storage capacity is near overflowing with it.

Our refineries are if anything overly configured for heavy / sour back from before the shale boom when we used lots of South American heavy crude.

If they do anything they would do the opposite, but that is also an expensive capital expenditure, so I doubt they make many changes.

Article from two years ago about the US being overly configured for heavy crude and under configured for light sweet. www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/17/shale-oil-has-a-refining-problem-and-morgan-stanley-smells-opportunity.html

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
4. It was $2.11 here on Saturday
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:58 AM
Mar 2020

I went for a drive. I didn't need gas. I used to fill up about once a week. In two weeks I've barely used a quarter of a tank.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
11. Where are you?
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:21 AM
Mar 2020

I know here in Philly it is still running in the $2.40s... I don't expect to see any below $2 here.

tnlurker

(1,020 posts)
7. I haven't bought gas in over two weeks now.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:28 AM
Mar 2020

I used to buy a tank for the truck every six days and one for the wife's car about every two weeks.
I still have half a tank in the truck and 3 quarters of a tank in the wife's car from a few trips to the store and back in the past two weeks. At this rate It will be over a month between fill-ups vs 6 to 7 per month for the two cars.

If this is the case for most people staying home like me and the wife then the gas companies will not be selling much gas this year. We could see $.99 gas before this is over. It is around $1.59 is West Tennessee this weekend (not that I bought any...just saw the signs).

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
9. Gas in the low 2.20s here in PA, but
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:31 AM
Mar 2020

just across the border in Ohio, it was $1.55 a few days ago.

Also, the fracking industry that the Pennsylvania GOP and SW Pa is counting on to bring back the economic glory days has been tanking for awhile with energy companies getting out of that or selling off that part of their business.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
12. Might be that cheap over on your side of the state but not over here in the east.
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 10:24 AM
Mar 2020

It's in the $2.30s/$2.40s where I am in the Philly area and worse downtown.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
13. While we can go to Ohio, you guys can hop over
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:21 PM
Mar 2020

a bridge to NJ for cheaper gas. Regular gas here ranges from 2.21 to 2.29. Ohio's state gas tax is lower, thus the lower price. I think they are on a different pipeline distribution system, too.

When I lived there, gas was cheaper in Philly than out here, but maybe the refinery shut downs there have had an impact on price.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
15. But see -- here is the tricky thing about crossing a bridge to go to Jersey
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:38 PM
Mar 2020

They know about the price differential, so the tolls kept pace. The toll for the Delaware River Port Authority bridges, is $5. So with that toll plus the cost in mileage to drive over there, it comes out even (ask me how I know this... ).

And now Jersey increased their gas tax, so it would be a loss for PA folks trying to go over there just for gas. For those who live in PA and commute to Jersey (and would have to spend the money for tolls anyway - one of my BILs used to do that), then it would make sense to just go on and fill up there. But otherwise, it's not worth it.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
17. Yeah, the old "double-nickel" bridge is now $4
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:43 PM
Mar 2020


(I think they did that because they needed the money to renovate the drawbridge mechanism)

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
18. Thought it was because everyone was using it
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:45 PM
Mar 2020

instead of the newer, higher tolled bridges. I can remember jokes about how loney the Ben Franklin and Betsy Ross bridges were.

BumRushDaShow

(128,973 posts)
19. LOL
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 07:11 PM
Mar 2020

I know I have used it but then most of the time where I needed to go, I either used the Benny or the Turnpike Connector Bridge.

One of my uncles (my mother's sister's hubby) who was born and raised in New England (and who had a sister living here in Philly) used to go up and down the highways from New Hampshire to here and back in the '70s (he bought a Datsun for the gas mileage) and knew every back road to avoid the higher-priced tolls. It was breathtaking to be in a car with him as we approached a toll and just before getting to it, he would get off at an exit and work his way around it (sometimes paying a dime or less for a toll in the vicinity) and get back on the main highway.

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