Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:38 PM
Bluesaph (531 posts)
Was trump lied to by WHO and CHINA?Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Having discussion with MAGA friend. This is her defense. I remember someone had posted a link to an article of the timeframe of when Trump knew the truth and when he finally acted. Can’t find it.
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Bluesaph | Apr 2020 | OP |
TheBlackAdder | Apr 2020 | #1 | |
blm | Apr 2020 | #3 | |
S.E. TN Liberal | Apr 2020 | #2 | |
Bluesaph | Apr 2020 | #4 | |
Captain Zero | Apr 2020 | #5 | |
global1 | Apr 2020 | #6 | |
gulliver | Apr 2020 | #7 | |
Azathoth | Apr 2020 | #8 | |
Bluesaph | Apr 2020 | #11 | |
Major Nikon | Apr 2020 | #12 | |
MoonlitKnight | Apr 2020 | #13 | |
Major Nikon | Apr 2020 | #14 | |
Azathoth | Apr 2020 | #18 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | Apr 2020 | #21 | |
Corgigal | Apr 2020 | #9 | |
Ace Rothstein | Apr 2020 | #10 | |
Major Nikon | Apr 2020 | #15 | |
dalton99a | Apr 2020 | #16 | |
Dirty Socialist | Apr 2020 | #22 | |
Hamlette | Apr 2020 | #17 | |
scrabblequeen40 | Apr 2020 | #19 | |
Takket | Apr 2020 | #20 | |
Hamlette | Apr 2020 | #23 |
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:41 PM
TheBlackAdder (25,742 posts)
1. Murdoch family knew in January, this means Trump knew too.
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #1)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:46 PM
blm (110,732 posts)
3. Military Intel knew in Nov that something was developing.
Stephanopolous questioned Esper who gave a nonanswer.
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:44 PM
S.E. TN Liberal (508 posts)
2. Gee, maybe having someone like a real "Pandemic Response Team" in place would have made sense???
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:50 PM
Bluesaph (531 posts)
4. But there was a list or article of the timeline
I am searching frantically for it to send my friend.
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:05 PM
Captain Zero (5,244 posts)
5. Headline on this OP NEEDS AN EDIT ?
Maybe it's., me but it doesn't make much sense.
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:31 PM
global1 (24,304 posts)
6. Is This Trump's Latest Excuse?....nt
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:34 PM
gulliver (12,611 posts)
7. How does Trump trusting China's word make it better for Trump?
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:56 PM
Azathoth (4,546 posts)
8. No one knows how much China has lied, but they announced the virus at New Year's
and confirmed person-to-person transmission on Jan 20th. So Trump had at least that long to start making preparations. And it's likely he had longer, as the intelligence community is now revealing that US spies were reporting the situation was serious since the first week of January.
The notion that the WHO "lied to Trump" comes straight out of white nationalist fantasyland. |
Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:58 PM
Bluesaph (531 posts)
11. perfect
thanks so much!
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Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:25 AM
Major Nikon (36,141 posts)
12. Also keep in mind they had zero idea what they were up against
So did China conceal evidence to protect their industry? Maybe, but if they did they didn’t do it for very long. At the time there was no way to know how big it was going to get and whether or not it could be contained.
Meanwhile whatever China did or didn’t do pales in comparison to the US response. The US can’t claim ignorance as we had weeks to prepare while Trump did nothing but try to gaslight everyone as usual. People we knew were infected were getting off cruise ships and running around unchecked at airports. Hell even now you have GOP governors refusing to do anything and those who are still grant totally dipshit exceptions guaranteed to kill people. |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:32 AM
MoonlitKnight (1,584 posts)
13. I have to disagree
China arrested the doctor who went public about this very early on.
China knew and concealed. Trump knew and distracted, delayed and concealed. |
Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #13)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:54 AM
Major Nikon (36,141 posts)
14. They also informed the WHO very early on
So whatever mistakes they made were very short lived and can be attributed to ignorance. The US has no such excuses.
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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #13)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:53 AM
Azathoth (4,546 posts)
18. I don't want to defend China, but the situation there is murky
So far as I've seen reported, the initial coverup was at the local Wuhan administrative level. Wuhan authorities were the ones who tried to downplay the new infection and who detained the doctor and forced him to apologize. It seems that once Beijing got fully involved, the situation turned around. The federal government even posthumously exonerated the doctor and apologized.
As with everything with China, it's impossible to tell how much of this is the real story, and how much of it is propaganda spin. We'll probably never know how much the central government knew and when they knew it. |
Response to Azathoth (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:49 AM
Proud Liberal Dem (23,452 posts)
21. The way things are going here
Us and China are looking very similar in terms of propaganda and coverup. Republicans have a hard on for blaming China for everything right now as part of their desperation to exonerate Trump.
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:59 PM
Corgigal (9,280 posts)
9. Everyone near Trump,
lies to Trump. Can’t work for someone who doesn’t live in reality any other way.
This also explains why this country is in the position it’s in. |
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 09:03 PM
Ace Rothstein (2,730 posts)
10. WHO and China lied to everyone.
Trump's non-response til mid-March is the issue. Everyone knew about the lies by the end of January.
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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #10)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:58 AM
Major Nikon (36,141 posts)
15. Everyone but Trump
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:56 AM
dalton99a (73,733 posts)
16. "Azar called Trump on Jan. 18 to warn him about coronavirus. Before he could get a word in,
Trump interjected to berate him about a fumbled vaping flavor ban. Azar asked a confidante for advice about how to break through to Trump."
Link to tweet |
Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:58 AM
Dirty Socialist (2,948 posts)
22. Like I said before
Drumpf is a piss poor listener, just like his sycophant followers
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:57 AM
Hamlette (15,066 posts)
17. this is a good timeline.
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:39 AM
scrabblequeen40 (334 posts)
19. Since when has Trump taken advice from WHO or China? eom
Your friend is not being intellectually honest with herself or you.
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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:46 AM
Takket (18,277 posts)
20. Here is the proof...
Response to Bluesaph (Original post)
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:35 PM
Hamlette (15,066 posts)