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Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:38 PM

Was trump lied to by WHO and CHINA?

Last edited Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Having discussion with MAGA friend. This is her defense. I remember someone had posted a link to an article of the timeframe of when Trump knew the truth and when he finally acted. Canít find it.

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Reply Was trump lied to by WHO and CHINA? (Original post)
Bluesaph Apr 2020 OP
TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 #1
blm Apr 2020 #3
S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2020 #2
Bluesaph Apr 2020 #4
Captain Zero Apr 2020 #5
global1 Apr 2020 #6
gulliver Apr 2020 #7
Azathoth Apr 2020 #8
Bluesaph Apr 2020 #11
Major Nikon Apr 2020 #12
MoonlitKnight Apr 2020 #13
Major Nikon Apr 2020 #14
Azathoth Apr 2020 #18
Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #21
Corgigal Apr 2020 #9
Ace Rothstein Apr 2020 #10
Major Nikon Apr 2020 #15
dalton99a Apr 2020 #16
Dirty Socialist Apr 2020 #22
Hamlette Apr 2020 #17
scrabblequeen40 Apr 2020 #19
Takket Apr 2020 #20
Hamlette Apr 2020 #23

Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:41 PM

1. Murdoch family knew in January, this means Trump knew too.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:46 PM

3. Military Intel knew in Nov that something was developing.

Stephanopolous questioned Esper who gave a nonanswer.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:44 PM

2. Gee, maybe having someone like a real "Pandemic Response Team" in place would have made sense???

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:50 PM

4. But there was a list or article of the timeline

I am searching frantically for it to send my friend.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:05 PM

5. Headline on this OP NEEDS AN EDIT ?

Maybe it's., me but it doesn't make much sense.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:31 PM

6. Is This Trump's Latest Excuse?....nt

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:34 PM

7. How does Trump trusting China's word make it better for Trump?

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:56 PM

8. No one knows how much China has lied, but they announced the virus at New Year's

and confirmed person-to-person transmission on Jan 20th. So Trump had at least that long to start making preparations. And it's likely he had longer, as the intelligence community is now revealing that US spies were reporting the situation was serious since the first week of January.

The notion that the WHO "lied to Trump" comes straight out of white nationalist fantasyland.

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:58 PM

11. perfect

thanks so much!

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:25 AM

12. Also keep in mind they had zero idea what they were up against

So did China conceal evidence to protect their industry? Maybe, but if they did they didnít do it for very long. At the time there was no way to know how big it was going to get and whether or not it could be contained.

Meanwhile whatever China did or didnít do pales in comparison to the US response. The US canít claim ignorance as we had weeks to prepare while Trump did nothing but try to gaslight everyone as usual. People we knew were infected were getting off cruise ships and running around unchecked at airports. Hell even now you have GOP governors refusing to do anything and those who are still grant totally dipshit exceptions guaranteed to kill people.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:32 AM

13. I have to disagree

China arrested the doctor who went public about this very early on.

China knew and concealed.

Trump knew and distracted, delayed and concealed.

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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:54 AM

14. They also informed the WHO very early on

So whatever mistakes they made were very short lived and can be attributed to ignorance. The US has no such excuses.

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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 10:53 AM

18. I don't want to defend China, but the situation there is murky

So far as I've seen reported, the initial coverup was at the local Wuhan administrative level. Wuhan authorities were the ones who tried to downplay the new infection and who detained the doctor and forced him to apologize. It seems that once Beijing got fully involved, the situation turned around. The federal government even posthumously exonerated the doctor and apologized.

As with everything with China, it's impossible to tell how much of this is the real story, and how much of it is propaganda spin. We'll probably never know how much the central government knew and when they knew it.

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Response to Azathoth (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:49 AM

21. The way things are going here

Us and China are looking very similar in terms of propaganda and coverup. Republicans have a hard on for blaming China for everything right now as part of their desperation to exonerate Trump.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:59 PM

9. Everyone near Trump,

lies to Trump. Canít work for someone who doesnít live in reality any other way.

This also explains why this country is in the position itís in.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Sun Apr 5, 2020, 09:03 PM

10. WHO and China lied to everyone.

Trump's non-response til mid-March is the issue. Everyone knew about the lies by the end of January.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:56 AM

16. "Azar called Trump on Jan. 18 to warn him about coronavirus. Before he could get a word in,

Trump interjected to berate him about a fumbled vaping flavor ban. Azar asked a confidante for advice about how to break through to Trump."




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Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

22. Like I said before

Drumpf is a piss poor listener, just like his sycophant followers

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 11:39 AM

19. Since when has Trump taken advice from WHO or China? eom

Your friend is not being intellectually honest with herself or you.

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Response to Bluesaph (Original post)

Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:35 PM

23. The answer is, then why is South Korea and Germany doing so much better than US?

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