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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 07:57 AM Apr 2020

Lucy's son-in-law looks into Trump's soul andreads it to him: "All tyrants end the same way"



Lucie Arnaz Shares Her Husband’s Letter to Trump; “All Tyrants End the Same Way –in Misery. That is Your Destiny…”

...I am wondering how it came to be that you don’t seem to feel anything that normal people feel. Perhaps your father or mother beat you? Maybe not with an electric cord, but with words and demands which may have shamed you so deeply and driven you so far back into your small Ego chamber or your dark Id cave that you have never been able to find your way to escape into the light that ordinary people see. You must have tried often, and failed every time ... I am sorry for you. I sympathize. Your life is awful. Very sad. You are a little boy playing at being a big villain. But it doesn’t seem to help you feel better. You are the most unhappy man I’ve ever seen.

I’m curious–did you have the natural feelings of empathy that the rest of us have, beaten out of you, so now you must inflict punishment on everyone else–especially those you can dominate in your mind–the ones who have little recourse against your fury? Do you realize that you are a bully? Do you know that bullies are basically cowards who dominate those who will allow it? We people out here see a huge number of your victims–the entire Republican Party has fallen beneath your heel–and you seem to really like that. It is very sad.

Do you ever dream? Do your dreams consist of a desire to have everyone on earth bow down to you–to kneel and kiss your hand like the old mob bosses and the tyrants of old? Have you ever felt anything but the raging urge to hurt and dominate? Your poor son Baron looks so deeply sad and disassociated when you bring him out in one of your shows. Your wife seems to be either beaten down to her round heels or to be planning a great revenge on you. Is this possible?
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The people see all that you are doing to destroy the country that belongs to us. There are so many, many, many things you and your captive minions have done and are doing to change the people into your servants, slaves, even. The people can only tolerate the theft of their freedom for so long–but finally, as in our original Revolution, they will gather en masse to remove you and every one of your party from any position of power ever again.

https://worldofwonder.net/lucy-arnaz-shares-her-husbands-letter-to-trump-all-tyrants-end-the-same-way-in-misery-that-is-your-destiny/
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Lucy's son-in-law looks into Trump's soul andreads it to him: "All tyrants end the same way" (Original Post) StarfishSaver Apr 2020 OP
Paragraph 1, second sentence. 3Hotdogs Apr 2020 #1
Narcissists teach their children to be Narcissistic too stopwastingmymoney Apr 2020 #2
yup. fred trump was equally a piece of shit. nt Javaman Apr 2020 #8
I have a feeling PatSeg Apr 2020 #13
well, i think she could have helped/saved him but mopinko Apr 2020 #14
At first I thought PatSeg Apr 2020 #15
Well-written and it is probably the clearest description of that twisted soul I've ever seen. lagomorph777 Apr 2020 #3
K&R for visibility meow2u3 Apr 2020 #4
Brilliant. volstork Apr 2020 #5
Great Read Capperdan Apr 2020 #6
This article from 2016 is still one of the best summarizing... PunkinPi Apr 2020 #7
It is indeed a great OP. calimary Apr 2020 #10
Laurence Luckinbill edhopper Apr 2020 #9
Trump has happy moments. CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #11
I've read that when clinical narcissists daydream it very typically Hortensis Apr 2020 #12
I was about to post this and you beat me to it. sellitman Apr 2020 #16

3Hotdogs

(12,375 posts)
1. Paragraph 1, second sentence.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 08:19 AM
Apr 2020

It was during the election campaign. Someone was a dorm mate or maybe frat bro of Donald, Jr. (Yeah, that asshole.) He reported the following incident.

Orange Buttplug came to the residence to pick up Jr. to take him to a Yankee game. Jr came out wearing a casual shirt. O.B. smacked him in the face and told him to go back and change into a suit and tie.

We tend to raise our kids as we were raised. It would not surprise me if Freddy beat the shit out of Gropenfuhrer.

PatSeg

(47,420 posts)
13. I have a feeling
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:53 AM
Apr 2020

that a lot of the damage was done my his mother, being he has such a low opinion of women, especially strong women. He hardly ever mentions her at all. Sounds like a pretty loveless, miserable household.

I also think a lot of the insults he throws at other people, are echoes from his childhood. I can picture an overbearing parent calling a young Donald "a disgrace", "dumb", "a loser", etc. He is such a transparent person, everything you want to know about him is in plain sight for the world to see.

mopinko

(70,097 posts)
14. well, i think she could have helped/saved him but
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:20 PM
Apr 2020

it looks like a pretty typical brutal dad thing.
my brother is very much the same, but he hides it very well. i was always his target, probably cuz i actually had a good relationship w my dad. dad just didnt act/feel the same about his daughters the same as he did his only son. he was determined his son would redeem his failures, which, of course, he couldnt have done anyway. nothing was ever good enough for dad, even medals from viet nam.

i'm 65, and he is still trying to bully me. the rest of the sibs long ago crowned him a good guy who survived it all. i have to hang up on him every time he calls. which, blessedly is rare.

PatSeg

(47,420 posts)
15. At first I thought
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 02:44 PM
Apr 2020

Trump's biggest problem was the classic "Daddy issues", but as time went on I began to realize that his mother could have caused a lot of the damage we see.

Of course, both parents probably contributed to his dysfunction. A father always challenging him to live up to his own success and a mother who probably belittled and disciplined him on a regular basis. When Trump was sent to military school, he probably took it as major rejection.

Oh well, its likely we'll never really know what went on in that household, but we can observe what it produced.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I've known so many people who have dealt with fathers like that and though we can move on, the effects can stay with us for a lifetime.

PunkinPi

(4,875 posts)
7. This article from 2016 is still one of the best summarizing...
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:05 AM
Apr 2020

the root of 45s many pathologies. Some snips (bold added for emphasis):

Harry Hurt III, author of “Lost Tycoon,” one of the first biographies of Trump, agrees. (His book, published in 1992 was just re-released via a Kickstarter campaign because the original publisher declined to risk a lawsuit from Trump by bringing it out again.) “It all goes back to his father. Since he was a child, he’s been vying for his father’s attention and everything else in his disturbed existence is rooted in the crazy need to prove he can outdo his father.”


From early childhood, Hurt wrote, Fred used to tell his boys “you are a killer … you are a king … you are a killer … you are a king…” As a result, he wrote, Donald came to believe that “he cannot be one without the other. As his father has pointed out over and over again, most people are weaklings. Only the strong survive. You have to be a killer if you want to be a king.”


In the Trump family paradigm, the patriarch sets a pace and waits to see which child catches or outruns him. So far, Barrett suggests, Ivanka seems to be winning, as her father “skips over Donald Jr., just like Fred Sr. father did to Freddy.” And Ivanka, true to history, is “positioning herself very strongly as the anti-Trump Trump, a purposeful contrast with her adored father,” wanting to be just like him, but very different too.

Trump, playing his role, responds by upping the stakes in the constant quest to prove himself a killer and a king. What more dramatic means to that end than to run for president of the United States?


Much more here --> https://www.yahoo.com/news/killer-king-education-donald-trump-000000711.html

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He was raised to be a monster, and now that's just what he is. Great OP.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
11. Trump has happy moments.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:42 AM
Apr 2020

As a bully, his happiness comes from the misery of others.

He must be ecstatic about now, seeing the death and devastation he inflicted.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. I've read that when clinical narcissists daydream it very typically
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 10:45 AM
Apr 2020

takes the form of enjoying admiring a static image of themselves, as they imagine themselves of course.

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
16. I was about to post this and you beat me to it.
Mon Apr 13, 2020, 11:07 PM
Apr 2020

It blew me away. Glad it had the same effect on you.

I read it twice. I never do that.

So spot on. So sad.

I know his reading skills probably don't lend itself to reading much but I wish he could read this.

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