Joe Biden does not need to reach out, or give 5 seconds consideration to anyone who

[Peacetrain]

has been part of the smears against him. To everyone else, yes an ear to listen to and a proverbial hand to shake to those who did not support him but have honest disagreements and want their side heard.

And yes we all know who should get the cold shoulder.

[Callado119]

1. Yup, AOC needs to take several seats...

[Peacetrain]

2. Kind of what got me started on this op today... that and the continual attacks by the steinists

[empedocles]

4. BS's steinists, et al

[Hortensis]

3. No, but he does need to reach out to Democrats and all others

who supported hostiles under the impression that they were doing right. After all, liberal politicians believe they must represent the people, not just those sporting their jersey.

Of course I'm fed up and agree for myself, but he's an old political pro and I don't worry that he can't identify those who've chosen to be part of the problem. We know he's a uniter, not a cold-shoulder type, so it's likely that those who lack the right stuff to be taken into his train will receive quiet courtesy from him, and occasional big smiles and compliments as appropriate as long as they're elected by Democrats.

[Peacetrain]

7. That is what I meant ....

in the second sentence "To everyone else, yes an ear to listen to and a proverbial hand to shake to those who did not support him but have honest disagreements and want their side heard."

[Hortensis]

13. Exactly and so well said.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. It seems to me that if AOC wants to see Trump defeated,

what she should do is contact Biden's campaign and ask "What can I do to help?" instead of acting like the Queen Bee and expecting him to come to her. She's just one of many junior congresspeople but she seems to think she's entitled to some kind of special deference.

[question everything]

8. Except neither she nor Sanders want this. Their goal is to destroy the Democratic

leadership.

[stopdiggin]

22. I might not agree about that goal

but I think it does represent a new(er) political model that says there are greater results in breaking things and media spats .. than there is in shaking hands and compromise. It's just a practical calculus in potential returns as they see it.

I suspect that AOC is "positioning" (and it's the intelligent political move) at this time to inherit the mantle of presumptive progressive leader from the retiring Bernie Sanders. And, in that role .. it simply isn't strategic or smart for her to be playing warm and fuzzy or kumbaya at this particular point in time.

I also suspect .. that AOC will be a hell of a political campaigner for the Biden ticket when the time is right. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see her turn into a tremendous asset (perhaps one of the best?) for the campaign.

[LakeArenal]

27. Except Warren wears that mantel.

[stopdiggin]

36. I would prefer that result.

not sure if that is what we'll end up seeing. I think to a large extent Sanders represented a lot of the brick throwers and "burn it all downs" on the left .. and Warren (to her credit) has never been real comfortable with a flamethrower. AOC on the other hand ...

[ProfessorGAC]

37. The Stein Voters Already Did That, No?

Voted for Jill as a protest vote against HRC. How'd that go?

[stopdiggin]

40. not real sure.

I'm not seeing a lot of similarity to Stein .. either in my post, or the OP discussion.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. Then You Should Think About

The motivation of many Stein voters was to get Trump, burn it down, because it would be that bad.
So, it EXACTLY relates to your first paragraph.
Not sure how you could have missed what you wrote!

[stopdiggin]

48. my post was addressed to the issue

brought forward in the OP. Namely, who should be courting whom .. extending olive branches, etc. .. now that Biden has effectively sealed the nomination. My post specifically addressed AOC, and why I thought "making nice" at this particular time probably wasn't a priority. And the reasons why I thought it wasn't. At no point in time did I approach the subject of who would be voting (or not) in November. And I even went on to say that I thought AOC would eventually be an enthusiastic (and effective) campaigner for Biden.

I have to say the leap to Jill Stein, or Jill Stein votes, remains entirely your own creation.
--- ---

[ProfessorGAC]

49. So Was Mine

How you fail to see that is a mystery!

[Peacetrain]

9. You would think.. instead of trying to gin it up..

[emmaverybo]

33. THIS

[demtenjeep]

6. boom

spot on

[Peacetrain]

10. I hope so!! Boom

[philly_bob]

11. Divisive. /nt

[Peacetrain]

12. at what point is this divisive?

in the second sentence "To everyone else, yes an ear to listen to and a proverbial hand to shake to those who did not support him but have honest disagreements and want their side heard."


Or that I think Biden does not need to reach out to those who are trying to take him down with a bunch of lies? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[philly_bob]

16. Divisive when you say Biden should not listen to a certain subgroup

of the party that disagrees with you.

[Peacetrain]

19. Take your blinders off and re-read what I wrote.. if someone is trying to destroy him with lies

that is not disagreement .. again.. "in the second sentence "To everyone else, yes an ear to listen to and a proverbial hand to shake to those who did not support him but have honest disagreements and want their side heard."

[philly_bob]

42. "Take your blinders off." That is insulting, Peacetrain.

Insulting those on DU who disagree with you is divisive.

[LakeArenal]

28. Like when Sanders said he was coming after the Democratic Establishment?

[Hortensis]

15. Yes, her complaint is. There's huge competition for rides

on the Biden train right now, though, and her alliance with anti-Democratic Party extremists certainly has not positioned her well. You do realize she approved attempted primary election theft and massive extremist swiftboating of the party as we were fighting to defeat the growing fascism on the right, and their depraved nutcase?

Divisive IS the word.

If she wants a future in the Democratic Party, a big unanswered question right now, she needs to go to work digging herself out of the hole she dug for herself by using her talents for good. Continuing behaviors that undermine trust in our candidate and party is exactly the wrong thing to do.

[philly_bob]

17. Who is she? /nt

[SiliconValley_Dem]

30. Yes, AOC is

[earthside]

14. Wrong.

That is loser talk.

[Tribetime]

18. Does that include Kamala Harris

Who attacked him in the debate saying I don't think you are a racist

[Peacetrain]

20. Kamela Harris has endorsed Joe Biden

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/08/kamala-harris-endorses-biden-123617

She is not out there now trying to take him down..

[Tribetime]

21. Just curious who should get the cold shoulder

[SiliconValley_Dem]

32. People who aren't rallying around presumptive nominee, that's who

[SidDithers]

38. The ones trying to stir shit...nt

Sid

[StarfishSaver]

25. "I don't think you are a racist" can be seen as an attack only by someone looking for something

to be aggrieved about.

Black people always have to go out of our way to couch any criticism of a white person with a disclaimer that we're not calling said white person a racist. But even when we do that, it's not good enough to stop some people from accusing us of accusing a white person of racism even when we are clearly and expressly NOT saying that.

So, no. It DOESN'T include Kamala Harris.

[Tribetime]

26. I'm just trying to figure out who they're talking about who deserves the cold shoulder

[LakeArenal]

29. No one is giving anyone a cold shoulder.

I’m sure Joe would gladly take her phone call. He’s a very gracious man.

[StarfishSaver]

34. You can do that without claiming Kamala saying she didn't think Biden is racist was an attack

[Tribetime]

41. She was my favorite up until that time

Maybe it was the the way she said it just my opinion😊

[StarfishSaver]

44. What was it about how she said it bothered you?

Black people are damned if we do and damned if we don't

The only way we avoid it is to never ever mention race and, God forbid, don't EVER question how any white person has ever dealt with it since anything less than fawning praise of how said white person is absolutely perfect in every respect when it comes to how they handle race, we are accused of attacking, calling innocent white people racist, playing the race card, being angry, etc.

[Tribetime]

45. It was just the way she emphasized think

Like if somewhere someone were to say I don't think you're a burglar I don't think you're a rapist I don't think you're a killer I don't think you beat your wife

[StarfishSaver]

46. Wow

Do you know what "tone policing" is? It's particularly common when assessing how black women speak. http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/unpacking-the-conversations-that-matter-if-you-werent-so-angry-people-would-listen-and-the-problem-with-tone-policing/

What do you think she should have said in order to emphasize that her comment about Biden's previous record in no way implied that she thought he was a racist (short of not saying anything at all)?

[fishwax]

23. Not in the sense of a personal obligation. Practically speaking, if it helps secure his victory

then, yeah, he does need to.

If he were not to, and that decision were to cost him votes, and those votes were to make a difference in the election, well, then, he could always have the satisfaction of feeling he had a morally superior stance in the abstract as the country goes down the drain in concrete ways. (Same holds true of any idiot who would withhold their support of our nominee.)

Anyway, though, I trust he'll make the right moves, whatever those may be.

[LakeArenal]

31. Has AOC endorsed Biden? I missed it if she did.

[stopdiggin]

24. somethin' new happen today?

or are we still fightin' yesterday's battle?

Read several articles from the past few days .. I don't see anything particularly inflammatory, divisive .. or really even out of the ordinary. Maybe I'm reading the wrong stuff?

[4139]

35. 'Don't you know who I am?!!!!' attitude is not the best for any member of Congress...

... totally unstylish.

[ProfessorGAC]

39. Especially Since...

...he was a Senator when she was in 2nd grade, and VP while she was shortly out of college.
It would fair for Joe to be saying that. But, he won't! Wouldn't be dignified.

[Cha]

47. Aloha Peacetrain.. What

brought this on?

I agree, of course..I've said this before..