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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders just endorsed Biden
Yay!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden/index.html
klook
(12,154 posts)Joint video conference happening just wrapping up now (YouTube link):
mcar
(42,307 posts)Wonder why now but not last week. Glad to see it, though.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)What comes to mind is Bidens including Bernies student loans issue on his platform. I think there was something else too, but I cant think of it right now.
Aristus
(66,328 posts)They're going to have to do some actual work, instead of cutting and pasting the usual "Corporate Dem-sellout-centrist agenda-both parties the same-etc-etc-etc. stuff, and then kicking back for a vodka...
lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)Deep breaths. If nothing else, it will be more difficult to fake a false election against Biden than it would have been for any other candidate.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Any talk of 'leverage' to force platform and rules changes must go by the board.
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)The convention is where a platform is designed and constructed, not where everyone kneels and swears to co-sign the positions of one faction.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Has legitimately all the influence he is owed when a vote goes against him by a three to two margin. That is Sanders position. His earlier claims he would have 'leverage' at the convention were nothing but a threat to repeat the performance of his delegates at the 2016 convention. For that is certainly something Mr. Biden, and all Democrats, wish to avoid, as it would only benefit the cheap thug we must evict from office.
If there is to actually be unity, and a joint effort, he must stand down from these threats, and accept he is not in charge, and will get only what the majority is inclined to give him. the better he behaves, the more he may get. Threats will get him nothing but named in history as the man who did more than any other to put Trump in office, and maintain Trump in office when the last chips were down.
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The only possible difference between the two comments is that I translated Sanders' euphemism 'leverage' into plain English. Politics and governance, looked at squarely, are the business of determining who tells whom what's what. In a democratic body, or a democratic polity, this is determined by who has majority backing. In democratic governments and bodies, a minority faction cannot dictate terms. Sanders does not seem to have internalized this, and until he does, and states he will countenance no disruption, no displays of 'leverage', at the Party's national convention, his statements today, while to the good, cannot be trusted to indicate Sanders has joined in a unity of purpose and efforts. Mr. Biden is wise to treat today's statements publicly as such a juncture, and I would expect no less from a skilled professional. I am merely an irregular skirmishing in a political forum, and so am free to state things clearly.
"The wise victor presents his demands in installments."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)rest of his political life, and he may have decided on a working relationship that would allow him to remain relevant and retain a place in the national spotlight on Biden. It is of course just like Biden to try to serve Sanders Democrats by offering their choice a chance at a meaningful role.
As said, of course, we'll see if Sanders can and will stick it. On the plus side, he has been disciplined enough to remain in congress since 1991, albeit with almost no attention paid to his complaints. But he knows how if he wants to. And while it'll enrage some followers, it'll please others to have him involved as we move forward.
In any case, very good show today from these guys, starkly different from his endorsement of HRC, and glad to see it.
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ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)So, you voting for Joe Biden, or what?
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)I have not, on the other hand, adopted a collar and a leash.
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ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)66. Of course, I'm voting blue no matter who.
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I have not, on the other hand, adopted a collar and a leash.
Magoo48
(4,708 posts)and question, evaluate, and oppose my party and my candidate when I so chose.
calimary
(81,238 posts)I keep thinking about the old slang "is you is, or is you ain't?"
Or the old Ken Kesey bit from "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" - "are you on the bus or off the bus?"
We HAVE TO win this.
We HAVE TO win this.
We HAVE TO win this.
It's all or nothing at this point. And Joe Biden isn't perfect, but the effort he's put in, as a graceful winner, proving he's a uniter, proving he has an empathetic heart while America is beside itself with confusion and fear. The effort he's put in, to reach across, be inclusive and gentle with a vanquished opponent. Classy. And SO definitely not a showboat. Dunno about anybody else but I myself am sick to death by now of the fucking reality show that so-called "pResident"-ringmaster-quizmaster-doctor-emcee-tabloid celeb trump produces and presents, and force-feeds us every day. And of course he's its star, leading man, international sensation, and lord and master too.
Bernie - I hope you and your followers can come to understand, sincerely, that you are going to get A LOT more of what you want and yearn to see for this country from a President Joe Biden, than you EVER will from trump. EVER.
Oh, and I forgot to say We HAVE TO win this.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)One hopes against hope 'Bernie' has what it takes to pass the acid test....
mikelgb
(6,021 posts)Go figure
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)In this instance I do not mind repeating myself. Sanders must cease talk of 'leverage' to force changes in the platform and the rules at the convention. So long as he holds threat of disruption in reserve, Sanders has not joined in union with Mr. Biden's campaign to evict the cheap thug Trump from the White House. That is what he has to do, and he has to do it unreservedly.
I am happy to keep an open mind, and consider it possible Sanders will move on down the road he must travel, and do so soon enough to pull the teeth of whatever firebrands his organizations in the various states have credentialed as delegates committed to him. Past performance being the best guide to future action, however, I will need more convincing than 'Bernie' has provided today, welcome though his first steps to responsible behavior today are.
mvd
(65,173 posts)Good to see you again. Well, we have never agreed on people like Bernie (we have been respectful though) so I hope we can focus on getting Trump out as the next step.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)A pleasure to see your comment. I am certainly focused on that, and will accept any ally to the cause. I repeat, it is my sincere hope we can have Mr. Sanders in the ranks as well.
Be well, and stay safe!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)What will Sirota, Gray and Turner have to say?
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)A hashtag 'Sorry, Bernie' indicating he is a shill and a sell-out and no true 'Bernie' supporter will ever vote for Biden....
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)But it is questionable whether there is any point to making a deal with the man, not on grounds he couldn't be trusted to deliver, but on grounds there really is nothing he can deliver....
treestar
(82,383 posts)About Bernie Supporters who are continuing without Bernie.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)That was a piece in the 'it's so funny because it's so true' class....
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And some won't. I suspect we will see a lot more coming around that may have been holdouts 4 years ago.
mcar
(42,307 posts)Seems some folks are seeing the money dry up.
Link to tweet
With the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders, who is an incredible human being & a genuine inspiration, I don't endorse Joe Biden.
I supported Bernie Sanders because he backed ideas like #MedicareForAll, cancelling ALL student debt, & a wealth tax. Biden supports none of those.
Link to tweet
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If youre a Bernie supporter who is angered by his endorsement, I would like to hear from you. DMs are open.
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I'd never vote for Donald Trump.
But for me to actually campaign, volunteer, donate, and endorse @JoeBiden - here are the 5 things I'd have to see first. https://thenorthstar.com/shaun-king-i-would-endorse-and-even-campaign-for-joe-biden-if-he-did-these-five-things/
I hope they happen. Truly.
A thread....
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)There are only two choices now.. Trump and Biden. By not endorsing Biden she endorses Trump by default.
mcar
(42,307 posts)They all know it. They just don't care.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)betsuni
(25,486 posts)Trump is the lesser of two evils for some of them (Biden is sure to start new wars because he "never saw a war he didn't like" plus the usual neoliberal corporatist + conspiracy theory stuff and only four more years of Trump is better than eight of a Biden administration ). They insist it's all about policy and not some sort of cult, so they don't have to do what Bernie says. "Bernie Sanders is dead to me." They are proud of Gray's refusal follow Bernie's endorsement. They are sad. The party's over.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Jackpine Radical, was a gentle soul, not like those frothing loons at all.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)A pox on all who post there.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)It was so great I teared up.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)calimary
(81,238 posts)Appreciate your stepping up like that. Nice way to do it. I hope it can move some of your most ardent believers - 'cuz we need you to be pulling with us. Shows you do know how to do the right thing.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Bernie is CERTAINLY a stand-up guy.
That much I know.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)sunonmars
(8,656 posts)Interesting.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)I'm sure he didn't want to keep those two assholes around.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)My apologies to Bernie and his supporters for all the negative things I have said about him during the past several months.
Thank you Bernie! This helps immensely and likely guarantees a win in Nov. Im sure the GOPers and Dump are terribly disappointed.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)I guess he saw that defeating Trump was more important than his narrow ideology - but it looks like Brihanna and the Bros aren't having it.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)I guess something like Bernie was forced to endorse or tricked into it by Biden.
GeorgiaPeanut
(360 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)It's characterized by at least 80% millennials. So please don't paint his voters with a broad brush. They're going to work together, follow them both to the convention, and do what Sanders and Biden agree on.
It's time to stop worrying about division, and welcome the unified front that we have, not pass along or amplify the lines of the Brad Parscale doubt and division machine.
Let's focus on what's good about this, like Sanders' local VT coverage does.
https://vtdigger.org/2020/04/13/sanders-endorses-biden-for-president-tells-supporters-to-come-together/
democrank
(11,094 posts)~peace~
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Now lets get that sonofabitch Trump out of our white house.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Certainly won't be good enough for some here who will continue to move the goalposts but this will go a long way towards consolidating support by the time November gets here.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Love this quote from Biden:
If I am the nominee, which it looks like now you just made me, I am going to need you, not just to win the campaign, but to govern, Biden said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/bernie-sanders-endorses-joe-biden-for-president.html
marlakay
(11,457 posts)When he was live on the view this morning. They asked him about Bernie and he said he will do it when time is ready for him and said he respected Bernie and tried to talk to his supporters about a few things of his and Liz he was supporting now.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)We need everyone on board. If another 4 years of the current monster don't motivate people to vote for Joe, I don't know what will. Anyway, I am happy for this endorsement.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)"Pantomime Bernie Sanders." (Egregious Monty Python Reference)
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)mvd
(65,173 posts)Bernie in the WH would be a dream come true. But it is not happening, and we have a much better chance of convincing Biden on issues than the Asshole in the White House.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)My appreciation of him for this action is heartfelt and unequivocal.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Of course. In speaking of Biden, he also described himself: "The kind of leadership thats guided by knowledge and experience; honesty and humility; empathy and grace that kind of leadership ... belongs in the White House."
And we're off!