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Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:17 PM Apr 2020

Step back and allow Trump to shut down the USPS

His supporters need the postal service as much as anyone.
My Dad once told my mother “Stop yelling and let the boy play in the street, he’ll learn his lesson after the car runs over him”
Some people just have to feel the pain before they understand the reason not to do something. Perhaps then they will realize how fucking stupid they were to ever like him to begin with.

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Step back and allow Trump to shut down the USPS (Original Post) Under The Radar Apr 2020 OP
Except they have a bottomless capacity for blaming these things on Democrats. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2020 #1
True, but when USPS, FedEx and UPS don't make Rural deliveries Red States will lose their Shit! TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 #36
Sadly, once the pooch is screwed, it will be monumentally difficult to unscrew it. Girard442 Apr 2020 #2
I know it seems scary when he runs his mouth Under The Radar Apr 2020 #5
You know, there's a very simple principle that almost no one fully appreciates. Girard442 Apr 2020 #8
That goes back to my original post, I only hope that he would. Under The Radar Apr 2020 #9
And those right wing whacko postal workers DUgosh Apr 2020 #3
I have known 3 letter carriers in my life Thunderbeast Apr 2020 #16
The USPS is not socialist. It is payed for by fees, just like any business. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #19
I worked for the postal service.. nini Apr 2020 #34
Sounds like you grew up in a family like mine... pbmus Apr 2020 #4
Except TheFarseer Apr 2020 #6
Sadly, Trump nor the Senate can close it. Nancy is in control Under The Radar Apr 2020 #7
Why is that sad? Sugarcoated Apr 2020 #33
Sarcastic- if Trump even tried, his own supporters peel away. Under The Radar Apr 2020 #35
The problem is that not only rural Trumpers rely heavily on the USPS Jake Stern Apr 2020 #10
You are correct, and that entire generation would have to be long gone.... Under The Radar Apr 2020 #12
She and I are in the same boat. I receive and pay my bills by mail. I like hard copies. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #21
You mean the vote by mail USPS? lame54 Apr 2020 #11
No sir, the postal service has requested bailout funds and Trump has declined Under The Radar Apr 2020 #13
They are about to jump the shark. The postal service is critical infrastructure. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #14
Yep, telling Rural America That Fed Ex will carry the same letter for $26.99 Under The Radar Apr 2020 #15
Or hell. People like me. I pay all my bills online. But get them via the mail. GulfCoast66 Apr 2020 #17
Nah, they will find a useful way to Blame The Dems... BadGimp Apr 2020 #18
I think we can accomplish that without losing the USPS SiliconValley_Dem Apr 2020 #20
Since over half of the income in my family comes from the USPS, Progressive Jones Apr 2020 #22
No thanks: better to try to stop it, than to sit back, twiddling thumbs. struggle4progress Apr 2020 #23
Better hurry, post office said that they run out of operating funds May1st Under The Radar Apr 2020 #24
No. I have bills that must be paid via USPS..... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2020 #25
There are gifts other than stamps you can buy on the USPS site JI7 Apr 2020 #26
US savings bonds I do believe is capitol for USPS Under The Radar Apr 2020 #27
No, they've broken enough of our country. C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #28
Well there you go. That ought to do it. Under The Radar Apr 2020 #29
If only it were so easy. Like voting :-) C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #32
You know a couple of the big post offices could strike for three days and say Captain Zero Apr 2020 #30
You may get your wish in May when the funds run dry Under The Radar Apr 2020 #31

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
36. True, but when USPS, FedEx and UPS don't make Rural deliveries Red States will lose their Shit!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:42 AM
Apr 2020

.

FedEx and UPS don't do most rural and suburban deliveries, it's contracted that the USPS performs final segment delivery, making only 1 cent per package. This way FedEx and UPS get to privatize profits and socialize expenses.

Without USPS, those other two will be boned, and they don't have the infrastructure for rural/suburban deliveries.

.

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
2. Sadly, once the pooch is screwed, it will be monumentally difficult to unscrew it.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:22 PM
Apr 2020

Would make more sense for the postal workers to go on strike right now and stay out until the subsidy is in place. Even then there'd be no guarantee Trump wouldn't pull a Reagan and fire them all.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
5. I know it seems scary when he runs his mouth
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:26 PM
Apr 2020

But the postal service is authorized by the constitution and regulated by congress. Nancy is still in charge there.
Trump has no authority here and Congress has the power of the purse.

Girard442

(6,084 posts)
8. You know, there's a very simple principle that almost no one fully appreciates.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:42 PM
Apr 2020

Crazy people are crazy.

Trump is capable of anything. Refusing to sign any bill with the USPS subsidy in it is right up his alley.

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
16. I have known 3 letter carriers in my life
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:09 PM
Apr 2020

well enough to talk politics.

ALL of them hated socialism.

Go figure...

nini

(16,672 posts)
34. I worked for the postal service..
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:34 AM
Apr 2020

..with a bunch of union loving liberals and moderates. not everyone of course but most voted Democrat because of their union beliefs

My mom also worked at the post office and was a diehard dem. Maybe where one lives was more of an influence on their views?

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
4. Sounds like you grew up in a family like mine...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:24 PM
Apr 2020

Where my grandfather used to say ‘be careless’ when I left his house to go out...

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
10. The problem is that not only rural Trumpers rely heavily on the USPS
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:49 PM
Apr 2020

But so do elderly and non-computer savvy folks in the cities. My grandmother dutifully wrote a check every month for the bills and put them in an envelope and mailed them off. She was so technologically challenged that she was stumped by an old Nokia cell phone, I couldn't even imagine trying to show her how to do online bill pay.

Loss of the Postal Service will hurt lots of people so no.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
12. You are correct, and that entire generation would have to be long gone....
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:57 PM
Apr 2020

..before the thought could be brought up without chaos ensuing

Midnight Writer

(21,798 posts)
21. She and I are in the same boat. I receive and pay my bills by mail. I like hard copies.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:29 PM
Apr 2020

And I too am baffled by cell phones. Always got along fine without one.

Yes, I am elderly, white and rural.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
13. No sir, the postal service has requested bailout funds and Trump has declined
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:59 PM
Apr 2020

But Congress is in control. No worries.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
14. They are about to jump the shark. The postal service is critical infrastructure.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:00 PM
Apr 2020

Were they on the ascendant they might get away with it. Not now.

And his rural base depends on them. As do most Americans.

And there is that little thing called the constitution. A postal service is mandated.

Nancy should have the house vote on a vigorous Saving Postal Service Act and send it to the Senate. Then sit back and wait. It will pass and be signed.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
17. Or hell. People like me. I pay all my bills online. But get them via the mail.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:12 PM
Apr 2020

I like having paper records and don’t want to print out every bill.

BadGimp

(4,018 posts)
18. Nah, they will find a useful way to Blame The Dems...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:15 PM
Apr 2020

for not supporting the legislation that contains a USPS relief element.

And you can bet your ass it will contain so much Poison the Dems will have to vote it down.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
22. Since over half of the income in my family comes from the USPS,
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:30 PM
Apr 2020

I despise anyone involved in shutting down the USPS.
It would cause over a half million Americans, and their families, a lot of pain,
and there would likely be bloodshed. Seriously.

struggle4progress

(118,338 posts)
23. No thanks: better to try to stop it, than to sit back, twiddling thumbs.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:37 PM
Apr 2020

People need to learn to organize, and the sooner the better

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
25. No. I have bills that must be paid via USPS.....
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:44 PM
Apr 2020

and so do millions of other low income people. In addition, millions of desperately needed charities would fail without mail-in contributions.

Save your breath with the pay-it-online mantra. If we go into a severe recession or depression, many will no longer afford access to the internet, causing more public pain. Forcing people to travel out to pay crucial bills will further spread COVID-19.

Call you representatives and senators and insist the USPS be fully funded, including an extra boost to compensate for added danger during a health crisis and loss of revenue from delivering advertising materials.


We do not need stupid retrograde measures during a global pandemic......

JI7

(89,264 posts)
26. There are gifts other than stamps you can buy on the USPS site
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:48 PM
Apr 2020

Does anyone know if money towards that would go to supporting the USPS ?

THey have some pretty nice things you can give as gifts to others or for yourself.

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
30. You know a couple of the big post offices could strike for three days and say
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:18 AM
Apr 2020

If you liked that, you will really like him defunding us and shutting us down.

New York and Philadelphia post offices went on strike around 1969??. Pay was bad until then. Nixon said you can't strike and if you do I'll use the National Guard to deliver the mail. New York and Philly said, Hold Our Beer. Nixon found out the National Guard SUCKED at delivering mail. And came around quick with signing a pay package to get the mail moving nationwide because New York and Philly had a lot of it fucked up. Those were WWII vets then. The postal service is still the largest employer of vets.
Trump might not want to fuck with them when it gets right down to it.

My dad was a letter carrier, that's how I know this basic story. So New York and Philly alone got the entire postal system a pay raise that brought their wages more in line with other segments.

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