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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsso we don't need 30K ventilators ASAP after all?
NY is sending them to other states now says cuomo as the ventilator situation is stablized according to the clips I am seeing on Rachel show. where's the emergency gone?
elleng
(130,895 posts)each state's apex differs.
mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)are stacked up in cold storage.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Murdered by the President of the United States of America.
Tens of thousands.
Let that sink in.
I keep shaking my head, hoping this was all a dreamtime nightmare.
Initech
(100,068 posts)But that doesn't seem to be the case.
sheshe2
(83,754 posts)And in a park stacked five feet high and six feet under. All the unclaimed bodies.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)They didnt run out of ventilators in NY. Thats a good thing. No need to explain Cuomos comments away. He was, correctly, planing for the worst case scenario.
intrepidity
(7,295 posts)You must prepare for the worst, but if mitigation efforts work, then you're accused of crying wolf.
Claustrum
(4,845 posts)You prepare for worst case scenario. If you prepare for best case scenario, you can easily be overwhelmed. Otherwise, if you over-prepare, your capacity is higher and even if the situation is a little worst than best case scenario, you still have the capacity to handle it.
It's also impossible to guess how much you need because it all depends on how people react and how bad the virus actually transmit (which no one can accurately calculate).
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)And Cuomo clearly stated, we will have a spike and then send them on to the next State. It is called planning, worst case scenario. He never said they are OURS like the Son In Law of ShitStain.
Same logic would be if I said, WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED A FIRE STATION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WASTE OF MONEY! NO HOUSE ON MY STREET HAS CAUGHT FIRE, SURE THE LADY ACROSS THE STREET HAS SOME MEDICAL ISSUES AND HER FAMILY CALLS THEM ABOUT THREE TIMES A YEAR. BUT THAT IS HER PROBLEM. (CAPS to emphasize the ignorance of the argument of not planning for disasters.
SamBob
(61 posts)You for got to add the word 'technically' a bunch of times.
I have noticed every trump supporter does that to me.
"TECHNICALLY WHY DO I NEED A FIRE STATION WHEN TECHNICALLY IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY!! SO TECHNICALLY NO HOUSE ON MY STREET HAS TECHNICALLY CAUGHT FIRE!"
and so on...
Oh man... You guys are the best though after a long day of dealing with Trumpsters.
napi21
(45,806 posts)nobody was denied. If he'd gotten the vents he asked for they wouldn't have had to do that. and it's NOT RECOMMENDED except for emergencies.
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)It was just speculation on how to handle things if they ran out.
They made clear that nobody in the state who needed a ventilator failed to get one. They tested it on a few patients a couple weeks before the peak was projected, but had ventilators standing by if trouble developed
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)The whole point of the extreme distancing measurew was to make sure we didn't have more than 30,000 people who needed ventilators and not have enough. The pain we're going through now has worked - at least temporarily. However, if we go back to "normal," we'll be back to worse than we were before we started - since there are so many more people infected now than when the shelter-in-place orders were signed.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)madville
(7,410 posts)and the survival rate of patients that were at the point of needing a ventilator was around 25% or less, they quickly lost favor as a talking point.
brush
(53,776 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)demmiblue
(36,848 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)The problem is what happens when we relax on that.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)Once you reach the point that you need ventilation, your long-term survival odds drop precipitously.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Good for you.
Igel
(35,300 posts)All the governors assumed that the uncertainty would resolve in all states to have the worst outcome, and wanted at least enough to handle that. It's the toilet-paper effect. Everybody wanted to buy at least 6 megapacks per household member when, really, just a few rolls per person would do. But you can't tell them that, and if you tell people in that frame of mind that they're not acting rationally they think you hate them. (They're wrong, but that's how it goes. You can't argue with fear.)
NY would need 30-40k ventilators under a worst-case scenario. California, many thousands. At that point you need maybe 400k ventilators sitting around--with the likelihood that you'd need just a small fraction.
Smart money is to plan for some states having horrible situations, some having not so horrible. Figure out what's likely to be needed assuming some worst case scenarios, add some as a margin, and go for that. Projections 3-4 days out are likely to be much more accurate--something careens out of control, odds are you get things from almost anywhere to anywhere in 3-4 days. There was a lot of distrust thrown in with the fear. Not only does NY need 30-40k ventilators more, they need them asap because otherwise who knows if they'd ever arrive.
All those hundreds of thousands we needed? Turns out things actually went better than expected, and some models will throw back the assumptions made in the modelers' faces for reevaluation. But odds are we'd have had enough without it going all that well in more than a few cases. NYC is *not* a best-case scenario. Pretty bad, actually, compared to most other places. But every place has extra, so far. Michigan might be an exception, but you never know--a lot of NYS' problem was not wanting to move things in-state. Better to draw down national reserves before utilizing what they had.
It's all best forgotten because it's embarrassing at this point. Cuomo was afraid, he made a lot of other people afraid, that wasn't a good thing--that, and starting the process lockdown at least a week late, probably two weeks late. Some people need to have absolutes--we're absolutely perfect and good (with just enough flaws to be endearing) while the other side is absolute hate and bad. Russian proverb: The devil's not as black as they paint him. (Look at Russian icons, the devil's usually very dark. Oddly, a lot of the problem is a dark patina, like on old Renaissance masters.)
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)msongs
(67,405 posts)KPN
(15,645 posts)how many positive IDd people died since then, what has happened to numbers of new positive IDs since then, how has social distancing affected those numbers?
Good question. You can be sure tRump is ready to muse over that specific question prolifically in the next few days. Good anticipation. Be prepared Governor Cuomo (we know you are).
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Good move by Gov Cuomo to require face covering in public as well.