Vote for Biden? Sanders Supporters Say It's 'Up in the Air'

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Mary Shippee voted for Senator Bernie Sanders in Wisconsin’s Democratic primary this month, well after it was clear he had no chance to become the party’s presidential nominee.

Now that Mr. Sanders has dropped out and endorsed former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., Ms. Shippee is torn over whether to once again cast a vote for a moderate Democrat in November, after grudgingly supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016 and President Barack Obama in 2012.

“What it feels like is the Democratic Party relies on guilting progressives into voting for them, and they don’t want to have any meaningful changes,” said Ms. Shippee, 31, a nursing student in Milwaukee. “For the third election in a row, to have a candidate you’re not excited about makes me a little more interested in voting third party.”

Despite Mr. Sanders’s call to unite behind Mr. Biden to defeat President Trump — whom the Vermont senator described as “the most dangerous president” of modern times — and despite Mr. Obama’s assurance that the party had moved left since he left office, the youthful and impassioned army of Sanders supporters is far from ready to embrace a nominee so unlike the one they pinned their dreams on.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/vote-for-biden-sanders-supporters-say-its-up-in-the-air/ar-BB12PbiM?li=BBnb7Kz

Sounds like Ms. Shippee is okay with four more years of Donald Trump.

[samnsara]

1. they arent dems anyway and they just put on their MAGA hats when there were no more..

..Sanders rallies...

[demmiblue]

2. The vast, vast majority of his supporters are going to vote for Biden.

Didn't even bother to read this FUD crap.

[brush]

31. Wonder if this Shiplee person is even real, an alleged nursing student? What actual person in the...

healthcare field has any hesitance in voting to get trump out? I mean healthcare professionals are risking their lives everyday now because of trumps bungled response to the virus.

If that person is real she's nearing trump-level idiocy.

[guillaumeb]

3. One hopes that Ms. Shippee is better at nursing than politics.

But if 2016 is a reliable guide, at least 85% will vote for Biden over the lunatic.

[MyOwnPeace]

4. I cannot even begin

to give an ounce of understanding or sympathy to ANY person that would not "vote blue no matter who."

To not do so is to allow the idiot-in-charge to continue to destroy what was a pretty darn good country, pushing it further away from any and all ideals that they claim to have in support of some other candidate (yeah, I'm talking about you "Bernie-hanger-oners!" ).

There is no more room for discussion - VOTE BLUE or GIVE IT UP to IQ45.

[Calculating]

6. Idk

Maybe they want an actual reason other than "better than Trump"

[MyOwnPeace]

7. But that option IS NOT THERE!!!!! n/t

[Calculating]

10. Yes but people aren't computers

A computer would look at this from a strictly logical way. If Biden>Trump then vote=Biden. Humans are emotional and don't view the world in pure black and white.

[Butterflylady]

21. And that's what will do in the human race eventually.

[John Fante]

23. If a self-described progressive doesn't get emotional thinking about the possibility

of a second Trump term, then they're not progressive.

[MyOwnPeace]

35. And THAT

is what the deniers need to realize - it's not like they get a second or third choice!

[Demsrule86]

36. There is no better reason...I detest Bernie Sanders...being honest. But I would have crawled across

broken glass to vote for him...there is no better reason to vote for the Democratic nominee than rid ourselves of Trump (lots of other good reasons, Biden is great IMHO). The primaries are what they are...Sanders had every chance to win the primary but he pursued a winning only 30 % of the vote type of strategy counting on a crowded field until the convention to make 30% enough for the nomination...well it didn't go that way, and he did not expand his support-youngsters didn't turn out...so he lost fair and square and if the dimwit in this article prefers Trump who has killed thousands of Americans than she was never a Democrat and never will be ...fuck her and any like her. The far left better be careful...if we have to move towards more moderate voters...they will have less influence and it will be their own fault. Already M4A will never pass the house...we have 40 moderates...most will not vote for it.

[Demsrule86]

37. She is probably an operation chaos liar.

[pandr32]

12. If we don't defeat Trump we may never recover

It is that dire.

[Polybius]

13. The only exception I've made in 20 years was Mike Bloomberg in 2005

I thought his first term was was amazing, and then he implemented "Stop and Frisk" (or at least that's when I first found out about it) and his silly big soda ban, and I have regretted it ever since.

He seems to have come to the light these days though, and is really making up for his past mistakes.

[Calculating]

5. I can see 20-30% of Sanders supporters not voting for Biden

Not that they'll vote for Trump, but a lot will just stay home or vote 3rd party. Biden simply isn't exciting at all to Sanders supporters I personally know. The numbers could go up if Biden picks an exciting running mate or adopts some progressive positions into his platform. As for me, my vote for president doesn't matter anyway because I live in Utah.

[Mossfern]

8. Exciting

is defeating Trump.

[Walleye]

11. Vote! For crying out loud.

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. 80% said last month they'd vote for Biden, and that was before Sanders' endorsement

Eighty percent of Sanders backers say they’ll vote for Biden against Trump; as noted, 15% say they’d back Trump. (This is familiar: Twenty percent of Sanders supporters said they’d vote for Trump in spring 2016.) For context, 15% of Sanders supporters is 6% of all leaned Democrats, and Trump won 8% of Democrats in 2016. Still, Biden wants all the in-party support he can muster.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-consolidates-support-trails-badly-enthusiasm-poll/story?id=69812092

[John Fante]

25. Nice username. Biden has a number of progressive policy positions.

It's hard to take the purists seriously when they're so willfully uninformed.

[redstatebluegirl]

34. Are you one of them? Just asking for a friend.

[Walleye]

9. I don't understand to whom they think that are grudgingly giving their vote.

Like it costs something? Ms. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Selfish and immature. If they vote third party they should feel guilty. As far as the Democratic Party, the name explains the principle. Who seriously gives a fuck if they are “excited”? They’ve been listening to the pundits too long and think they are special.

[jrthin]

14. They were always trumpers disguised as Bernie supporters.

[Freddie]

15. Voting isn't performance art

Your chance to “make a statement”. Idiots.

Give them a few more months of Trump’s gross mismanagement (if the country lasts that long) maybe they’ll reconsider.

[sop]

16. I've never found the perfect candidate. I've never agreed with 100% of a candidate's positions.

I've never fallen in love with any candidate. I always vote for the candidate who most closely reflects my political views and values. And voting third party is a wasted vote.

[John Fante]

17. Many of the positions Biden holds are a dream come true for

progressives. A public healthcare option, $15 federal minimum wage, an end to mandatory minimum sentences, toss out pot sentences, tuition free college, etc.

Whenever I point out these policy positions to the Bernie Brahs who inevitably accuse Biden of being GOP-lite, all I get is "Biden doesn't believes in any of that stuff, derp!"

I always ask them the same two questions.

1. Are you okay with another four years of Trump?

2. Are you OK with the idea of a 7-2 or 6-3 right-leaning Supreme Court?

They never answer.

[still_one]

18. Fuck THEM. The majority of Sanders supporters will vote for the Democratic nominee. Those that

don’t are fucking pseudo liberals.

We are in a precarious situation with the SC, and a minority with big mouths are considering not voting Democratic?

Maybe one day they will fucking grow up, but in the meantime, it is time to focus on defeating the nazi in the WH, and the repukes in Congress

[Caliman73]

19. This former Sanders supporter is not up in the air at all. I support Biden completely.

There is no choice. Do I have concerns about how the DCCC and DNC treat progressives? Yes. My concerns about having a complete fuck up in the White House another 4 years beat any concerns about Biden and the Democratic Party BY A LONG SHOT. We can sort out concerns once we dominate all 3 branches of government and save the country from disaster.

[Goodheart]

20. How dumb do you have to be to help the non-progressive

because the liberal isn't "progressive" enough?

Pretty fucking dumb.

[John Fante]

26. Someone referred to these voters as "socially woke, logically broke".

Sums it up nicely.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

38. Good one

I'll remember that. Might come in handy some time.

[mcar]

22. There is nothing Biden can do to convince these people

They aren't Democrats. If the last 3.5 years haven't taught them anything, they are hopeless.

[MyOwnPeace]

28. I agree.......

they are another "brand" of MAGAts!

[Mariana]

29. Exactly. We shouldn't rely on people who aren't Democrats

to vote for Democrats.

[DFW]

27. People like this...

They do not care in the least if the next two appointments to the Supreme Court are clones of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. In other words, not voting for Biden to them is more important than whether or not they even have the right to vote in the 2024 election.

Maybe there is a point in engaging with these people, but if there is one, it has raced right on by me.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

30. I'm pretty much finished with them

It's not our job to try to inspire or make them feel enthusiastic about Joe Biden. If getting rid of Trump and/or making sure that a Democrat selects Ginsburg's replacement or even that we have a sane government that can finish dealing with whatever is left of this Pandemic and the subsequent recovery by the time next January rolls around isn't enough for them, nothing ever will be. But, like some people have said, most hardcore Sanders supporters are not actually Democrats. They seem to be largely left-wing Independents whom were only interested in Bernie's candidacy through the Democratic Party and were probably never going to be sticking around for anybody else. But they may feel a little different as things move along. We wrapped up the primary very early this year, so there will be plenty of time for them to re-think their position on voting Democratic in November. I feel like they don't understand that you don't have to necessarily like or love a candidate for public office (and nobody is perfect anyway) but just have a belief that they can do a better job than the other person. And, on the merits and qualifications, there is absolutely NO comparison between Trump and Biden.

[Iggo]

32. PUMAs gonna PUMA.

[democrattotheend]

33. I think a lot of them will "come home"

Especially the ones who at least say they are open to voting for Biden. In 2016 people were complacent - they thought Hillary had it in the bag. And for the youngest voters, Obama had been president for most of the time they remembered and they didn't remember how bad it was having Republicans in power. It'll be different this time. At least I hope it will.

[Wanderlust988]

39. Most of the Bernie supporters that hate Biden live in blue states

Anecdotally, it seems the Bernie supporters that really detest Biden and won't vote for him tend to live in California, NY, or other blue states so I don't think it'll hurt Biden in the end. For some reason, the California ones are the worst.

[Cha]

40. Selfish people.. very self oriented. Don't care about others Dying

the SC, or the Lonely Planet.