It is perhaps a failing of my character...

[Orrex]

that I feel no sorrow or compassion for the idiot fuckheads who die from COVID-19 after going out of their stupid fucking way to circumvent minimal safety precautions and who thereafter contractithe illness in exactly the way they were warned against.

Do they deserve to die? Absolutely. They were deliberately engaging in actions designed to foster the spread of the virus, to the risk of everyone around them. Fuck them.

Do I feel bad for their families? Yes, I feel bad for them that their family member was so fucking stupid that they deliberately infected themselves as part of a stupid astroturf gesture of utter serfdom. Fuck them.


Of course, it's not simply that they got sick through their own fucking idiocy; indeed, they made a point of protesting shoulder-to-shoulder with other idiot fuckheads specifically to instill fear in "Libtards" and all the rest. One fuckhead on FB actually told me that voluntarily wearing a mask is equivalent to voluntarily boarding a cattle train to a concentration camp.

This, from an idiot seeking to subject himself to Herr Trump's Final Solution.

So fuck them. Fuck all of them. I know good, careful people who have contracted the virus despite their precautions, some of whom have died, and these are the people who merit my compassion.

The idiots lining up to snuffle at Herr Trump's festering taint? Fuck. Them.



And, as always, to the lurking fuckheads from the various kkkonservative cesspit forums online, fuck each and every one of you, too.

[redstatebluegirl]

1. What is sad is they will take innocents with them, healthcare professionals and anyone

they have contact with. That to me is murder, they know they are doing this and don't care.

[Orrex]

3. Absolutely. The "protesters" are bioterrorists and should be regarded as such

Deliberately using biological agents to instill fear and to force political change.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. Excellent word

Bioterrorists.

And thank you for giving 'voice' to my thoughts. You aren't alone. Now I have a neat ord to shrug off virtue signaling - Bioterrorists. Thanks!

[Orrex]

11. Credit goes to my wife

I was flailing around for a handy descriptor, and she identified it instantly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. They claim China unleashed a bioweapon. So why are they out spreading it FOR CHINA?

[liberalmuse]

2. They are willing to sacrifice the lives of those with pre-existing conditions and the elderly

for Trump's phony economy. Your compassion would be wasted on the likes of them. Any humanity they once had has long been leeched out of them by Hannity, Rush & Co.

I feel bad for those who are careful, but will get sick or die when they shop because of these contagious assholes.

[dalton99a]

4. They gave us President Trump.

Yeah, fuck them

[gratuitous]

5. Folks who court death so assiduously should celebrate when death comes calling

But yeah, the fact that they are going to be taking others with them is perhaps the most infuriating aspect of this childish, selfish irresponsible behavior.

[Cirque du So-What]

7. Their stupidity may end up killing innocent people

and I feel bad about that.

[malaise]

8. Mine too

i only have sympathy for rational human beings and all other animals

[kairos12]

9. I don't feel bad. Yesterday

in my state a MAGAT terrorist (not protester) said old people die all the time. No big deal. They are Nazis.

[Orrex]

10. Guarantee that asshole pretends to be a "pro-life" "Christian"

And they are very likely part of the "all lives matter" cult as well.

For that matter, that asshole probably thinks "Killary Clinton" is funny, and they still scream about the four dead in Benghazi while Herr Trump has killed more than 40K.

[jmg257]

13. Totally understood - Better they do it to themselves, so someone else doesn't feel the need to.

The lives they jeopardize are us all.

[Timewas]

14. YES n/t

[NNadir]

15. Well, I'm not at all into eugenics, but to the extent any of them are young...

...their activities may improve the gene pool.

The older ones, who haven't voted Democratic since they cancelled the draft, it's not like they're serving their country or anyone else right now.

They say the bubonic plague led to the Renaissance. Perhaps that's true here.

This said, I lost a very close and wonderful colleague, one of the finest human beings I've ever known, in all of this, so I'm not amused by people building up a disease reservoir by appeal to stupidity.

[Sunriser13]

26. I'm so very sorry for your loss.

[lunasun]

16. That's up to you but I know these are the same crowds that have no sorrow or compassion

for others not exactly like them in every way . That has been on display for years
These protests are about their own needs with no concern of others as usual
The ones yelling racist crap at hospital workers or blocking emergency room entrances are pure scum imo

[Hortensis]

17. They feel pretty much the same about you for your

various criminal-level irresponsibilities. So maybe this is an opportunity to develop some understanding and empathy. "Oh, so that's why they hate me!"

If you don't know what that is, just watch Fox for a while. Right now we're wantonly destroying millions of lives out of spite toward them and their president, you know, and you'll also learn the actual death count is likely to be much higher than it would be if we'd let the pandemic run its natural course of creating herd immunity. You'd learn that the death projections are vastly exaggerated for completely contemptible and hurtful political reasons.

Btw, imo, our biggest problem by far is destructive levels of hyperpartisanship. Without that insanity, we'd have gotten together and turned Fox into a properly regulated political entertainment channel long ago.

[Orrex]

18. Nuts to that. That's like telling the victim to empathize with the attacker during the attack.

Further, these fuckheads have no interest in our outreach, they ridicule the concept of empathy, and they scorn any efforts at understanding. Fuck them.

No one forced these fuckers to watch Fox News, so I dismiss any claims that they are helpless victims of brainwashing. They found a cancerous media outlet that fed their ignorance and bigotry, and they sucked that shit down as fast as they could get it.

I need no lessons in empathy, thanks, nor do I feel any need to dole out empathy to all people equally. A fuckhead who deliberately threatens innocent people deserves no empathy until the threat has passed, and if the fuckhead dies of self-inflicted stupidity along they way, well, then their corpse can go fuck itself.

[plimsoll]

22. Lie back and think of England.

They may be resentful of the scorn directed at them, but you seem to imply that liberals /Democrats started it. I am sympathetic, but I'm also very aware that they've been directing blatantly eliminationist rhetoric at liberals and Democrats since 1994. Let's see, Newt?

[Hortensis]

23. If Obama and Biden are tough enough to deal with reality,

maybe we should consider becoming more like them and less like the problem. I don't think we should imagine either of them personally respects troublemakers on either side, but they both do what they can to inspire and bring out the best in them.

[plimsoll]

24. I can deal with reality,

And still refuse to accept the notion that the right bears the lions share of blame for the hyper partisan conditions you were discussing. I cited Newt, but the right has a long history of demanding rights they gleefully deny others. Pretending otherwise and not remembering that a big portion of their leadership (not to mention the"base" ) do not act or negotiate in good faith. That is another part of the reality.

[Hortensis]

27. I'm not making any excuses for the right. At their best,

strong conservatives aren't well suited to representative democracy, and in this era most have been successfully encouraged to become as close to their worst as they can be.

As for most of the authoritarian and extremist hard right, a fifth to a third most times, these are the people who flock to dangerous leaders. They've been studied extensively, and a bunch of those are one competent, charismatic leader from turning on and murdering their neighbors. They attack in packs, whether as voters and election thieves eager to hurt those who draw their hostility, by using the legal system to persecute and lynch, or on the streets as mobs. When they chanted lock Hillary up, they meant it; with more powerful leadership they'd have demanded her execution also, at their leader's suggestion.

No one's advocating anything for those except to put a leash on them. They used to be split between parties, where more reasonable majorities mostly kept them controlled. But when conservatives, especially southern cons, consolidated in the GOP, southern-style social conservatism became the dominant culture. This was encouraged by seditious RW plotters who fostered irrational partisan hostilities between parties that kept more reasonable Republicans going along instead of opposing.

See where we are? At a time when indies, unengaged nonvoters, and some moderate conservatives are finally forced to realize that the Republican Party has become both intensely corrupt and far-right extremist. We're already a solid majority and don't need many more moderate conservatives to break away, even to not vote, but we desperately need some.

And in this context, reflecting the far right's own dangerous hostility at the more reasonable people we need to ally with to stop them is a dreadful mistake. We have to reunite to control the extremists who are tearing us apart, as our parents once did. That's the way to pull these people's teeth, the only way.

[plimsoll]

28. I've probably spent too long in online meetings.

Silence is acceptance.
The problem we face is "where are those moderate conservatives who should be objecting to this (mal)administration?" Their silence speaks volumes. They are OK as long as they're getting what they want. What they want we can't be entirely sure, tax cuts for the rich, strict anti-abortion laws, misogyny, racism. We can't be sure, and their acceptance of the extreme right suggests that part of what they want is open attacks on everyone who is outside their tribe, a tribe they'll abandon their principals, ethics and morals to remain part of.

Intellectually I know you're right, emotionally I understand where others are coming from on this topic, and practically speaking can they be trusted at this point to work with. Using a modern literature reference, Lucius Malfoy was still a Death Eater, his "return to his senses," was all contrived. The possibility of the unity you want us to achieve may have been permanently eliminated by the "winning isn't the most important thing, it's the only thing" mentality the right has clutched for at least the last 25 years.

[Hortensis]

29. So much truth, and me too. But still, insisting on regarding all conservatives,

and delusional idiots, as the same is not just ignorant, it's stupid because it's very dishonest and potentially dangerously destructive. It's possible to disapprove strongly without hate. And hating and blaming all conservatives equally is something the left caught from the right. Some young people won't remember, but we used to be smarter and better in this respect. As the right became more hate-ful, way too many have come to believe broad-brush political hate of everyone tagged with a label is normal and okay for us to indulge also.

Almost everyone locks in party alliance young, and stays locked in. But Joe Scarborough, Nicolle Wallace, Richard Painter, dozens of others whose names are very well known, and millions of others whose names aren't, broke away because today's Republican Party has become extremist and overwhelmingly corrupt. They stayed too long for sure, while it redefined extremists as mainstream moderates and moderates as RINOs. But they finally broke in this decade when it didn't come back on its own but just got worse and adopted blatant fascistic behaviors, including condoning vicious cruelty to children.

It's not true that even a majority are happy with what the GOP's degenerated into, though right now most are supporting their chosen leader in everything. But both the Tea Party and Trump were initially rebellions against the party's power blocs that failed completely.

Bottom line for all our futures, while most older conservatives bought into all the lies that have become their identity, and ours to them, many are very unhappy. Plus, significant numbers of their children are rejecting Republican corruption and extremism, for at least a generation and some forever. What do they see when they look at us, and what do their parents see when looking at them?

This is only one demographic realignment and reassessment. How about Hispanics and other minorities who haven't voted their power in the past? What are they reading from our side? That we spit at all conservatives, even those who never actually voted Republican in their lives?

Anyway, we must create a working alliance that can not just win one election but keep power, as our grandparents did in the 1930s after decades of similar bad behaviors nearly destroyed us. More people must have been behaving smarter then because they were able to form a large, dominating alliance held for another 50 years.

[plimsoll]

30. It's not hyperbole to say that the alt right and neo-fascists are opposed to a democratic society

We shouldn't lump all conservatives in with those groups, but as I said previously, how are we supposed to tell the difference if they won't separate themselves from the anti-democratic forces. That's where I think you have to draw the line. It's not "you're either for us or agi'n us," but you either support a democratic society or you don't. Our society is worth protecting, and the anti-democratic forces are making it clearer and clearer that they will use violence to achieve their ends. We can't let respecting the conservatives who disagree with the anti-democratic forces but remain silent prevent protecting our society.

[Hortensis]

31. +1000. The answers are all in the numbers.

We MUST form a working majority, big enough to overcome the electoral college and election theft.

If that means saying hi to neighbors we last swore we'd never talk to again and asking how they're getting along these days, so be it. nt

[kimbutgar]

19. They need to park those refrigerators trucks with dead bodies in front of these protesters.

[meadowlander]

32. +1. The condition of their permit should be to bring a shovel

and finish burying all the bodies in their district before they get to carry on with the "protest".

[NoMoreRepugs]

20. i Just drove home. Passed a fancy ass pickemup truck

flying a 4x6 foot flag affixed to a pole affixed to the bed that had a picture of an AR-15 on top and “Try and Take It Away” printed underneath.

It is obviously my fervent hope this Douche either runs into a cement truck going 90 or somehow journeys to the great beyond real soon.

Point being, I think there are any number of us who share your exact point of view Orrex.

[Kablooie]

21. It's being reported that these "protests" are being hyped and organized by conservative groups.

The same groups that pushed the Teaparty insanity.

They should be held responsible for the deaths.

[Marrah_Goodman]

25. I only feel bad for the innocents they infect

[qwlauren35]

33. Please have some heart for:

the ones who were gathering before Trump said not to.

The ones who gathered at the beaches in mid-March, the ones who attended Mardi Gras, the bishops of the Church of Life in Christ who went to their annual convention.

They got bad information. They didn't know. And they died.

[Orrex]

34. I wouldn't fault someone for not knowing what is not known

However, once the news broke, every single asshole who knowingly defied the minimum safety recommendations can be considered to have made a deliberate effort to contract the virus.