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babylonsister

(172,601 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 07:34 AM Apr 2020

"He Wouldn't Call Up Obama, Clinton, or Even Bush During This Crisis"...

From the Magazine
May 2020
“He Wouldn’t Call Up Obama, Clinton, or Even Bush During This Crisis”: Trump’s Cold War With the Former Presidents
In an exclusive excerpt from her new book, Team of Five, Kate Andersen Brower reveals why Donald Trump will be left out of the world’s most elite fraternity.
By Kate Andersen Brower

Illustration by Mike Tofanelli
April 21, 2020

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Former presidents used to help each other in times of crisis. Trump has made that impossible. He has not spoken with Obama or Clinton since his inauguration more than three years ago (aside from a brief hello and goodbye to Obama during George H.W. Bush’s funeral in December 2018). In fact, the only substantive conversation he and Obama have had was during the customary visit Trump made to the Oval Office two days after he won the 2016 election. He has been criticizing him ever since. “I didn’t like the job that he and Biden did,” Trump said at a Fox News Town Hall in March. “I didn’t like the position they put us in.” Seeking to justify his administration’s bungled response to the novel-coronavirus outbreak in America, he attacked Obama, tweeting that his handling of the 2009 H1N1 swine flu was “a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem…” Contrast that with John F. Kennedy, who called on all three of his living predecessors to ask for their help during the Cuban Missile Crisis. A year and a half earlier, after the Bay of Pigs disaster, Kennedy had reached out to the man he’d just defeated, Richard Nixon, and to his Republican predecessor, Dwight D. Eisenhower. He knew he could not afford to be too proud to ask for help. “No one knows how rough this job is until after he has been in it a few months,” Kennedy confessed to Eisenhower.

Ronald Reagan sent Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Carter to Anwar Sadat’s 1981 Cairo funeral during a sensitive global moment that could have precipitated more violence. And then there’s the way the former presidents supported George W. Bush after 9/11, and how George H.W. Bush and Clinton traveled the world together, seeking help after the tsunami in Asia, and in their leadership roles raising money after Hurricane Katrina. They became near-constant companions, doing interviews together and even traveling with George W. as part of the American delegation to Pope John Paul II’s 2005 funeral in Rome. “Come on,” Bush senior implored Clinton. “It will be better with you along.” Nicknamed “the A-team” in the press, they became like father and son. Time made them Partners of the Year in its 2005 Person of the Year issue. After seeing how powerful the Clinton-Bush team was, President Obama dispatched George W. Bush and Clinton to Haiti to raise awareness and funds after the devastating 2010 earthquake. This kind of teamwork and camaraderie now seems unthinkable and almost quaint.

Former presidents typically don’t initiate calls to the sitting president to offer their help because it could come across as meddling. But two people close to George W. Bush say that Bush is open to a call from Trump, even though there is no love lost between the two men. They haven’t spoken at any length since two phone calls during the confirmation of controversial Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, who had worked in the Bush White House. One former top Trump official who knows both men well said that if Trump were to call on Bush for help during this pandemic, Bush would “swallow hard, and he would help however he can for the good of the nation. That’s the kind of person he is.” But Trump’s doing that is nearly inconceivable. “His ego and his dismissal of the former presidents are all part of his mindset,” this person said on the condition of anonymity. “Early on I was shocked by some of the things he said about the former presidents. It’s not pretty. In my lifetime I haven’t seen a president so self-centered,” adding, “It is ironic that Trump doesn’t hesitate to call up strongmen autocrats like Putin and Erdoğan—who are not our friends—but he wouldn’t call up Obama, Clinton, or even Bush during this crisis.”

Given all of this, it is hard to imagine that, whenever he does leave the White House, Trump will receive a warm welcome into the club. He has accused his immediate predecessor of wiretapping his office ahead of the 2016 election and called his most recent Republican predecessor’s foreign policy the worst in history. He perpetually notes that his relationships with other world leaders are better than those of former presidents. But have the years he’s spent in that awe-inspiring office given him empathy for what his predecessors went through? “No,” he replies flatly. Unlike most of the men who came before him, who aged prematurely and struggled with insomnia while in office, often pacing the halls of the White House in the dead of the night, overwhelmed by the gravity of the position, Trump said he has no trouble sleeping.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/trumps-cold-war-with-the-former-presidents

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"He Wouldn't Call Up Obama, Clinton, or Even Bush During This Crisis"... (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2020 OP
He an asshole underpants Apr 2020 #1
Such a nasty little man. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2020 #2
A narcissistic, illiterate, uneducated, sociopathic man baby Docreed2003 Apr 2020 #3
And you barely scratched the surface malaise Apr 2020 #16
As Much As I Despise "W", The Fact That Michelle Obama has a Genuine Affection for Him Skraxx Apr 2020 #4
The drawing reminds me MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #5
Of course not D_Master81 Apr 2020 #6
I don't think cares about that club fescuerescue Apr 2020 #7
re: "telling to see how he behaves at functions which former Presidents are invited" thesquanderer Apr 2020 #15
Doesn't needto. He's got Putin as his BFF. sinkingfeeling Apr 2020 #8
He lies. Laelth Apr 2020 #9
I agree. And it's not his conscience babylonsister Apr 2020 #11
No. It's not his conscience. He doesn't have one. Laelth Apr 2020 #12
Don't believe him at all about the sleeping marlakay Apr 2020 #10
+1 Laelth Apr 2020 #13
Not one word in that article is new or surprising. Boomerproud Apr 2020 #14

Docreed2003

(18,709 posts)
3. A narcissistic, illiterate, uneducated, sociopathic man baby
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:11 AM
Apr 2020

Who has no concept of history or the burdens of the office he holds, other than the concept of its power and how it might personally benefit him. How so many of our citizens could be drawn into his cult is beyond me! How they are unable to see his obvious personality flaws and how out of his depth he is speaks to how far our country has fallen into partisan morass and failed in educating the populace on our history and the importance of civic duty. Trump is the result of a many decade attack on education and the acceptance of evangelical logic amongst far too many. We are all now paying the price for the GOP's lust for power which brought about this nightmare.

Skraxx

(3,174 posts)
4. As Much As I Despise "W", The Fact That Michelle Obama has a Genuine Affection for Him
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:17 AM
Apr 2020

Makes me at least think there is a human being in there. Incredibly flawed, greedy and ignorant, but there's humanity in him, at least. I mean, Bush had at the very least the good grace and self-awareness to understand that he should just quietly disappear, shut up and make bad paintings of dogs for the rest of his life. Trump is bereft of even that.

MyOwnPeace

(17,446 posts)
5. The drawing reminds me
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:24 AM
Apr 2020

of the last G7 conference when WORLD LEADERS were telling jokes and laughing about him!

D_Master81

(2,344 posts)
6. Of course not
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:27 AM
Apr 2020

That would admit he doesn’t have all the answers. This guy has said he knows more than Generals and he’s declared himself an expert at some 20 things. He can’t handle the thought of needing help or not being the smartest person in the room on any subject, let alone a national crisis.

fescuerescue

(4,475 posts)
7. I don't think cares about that club
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:28 AM
Apr 2020

He no doubt feels that he is above it. He thinks that "he's the man" now.

After he leaves the whitehouse. Either next year or 5 years from now, it will be VERY VERY telling to see how he behaves at functions which former Presidents are invited.

thesquanderer

(12,904 posts)
15. re: "telling to see how he behaves at functions which former Presidents are invited"
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 02:46 PM
Apr 2020

I have a feeling his invitations will generally be lost in the mail. (Or the equivalent, if he's successfully destroyed the USPS.)

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
9. He lies.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 08:55 AM
Apr 2020

ALL of the Cluster B personality-disordered people that I have known have had trouble sleeping.

-Laelth

babylonsister

(172,601 posts)
11. I agree. And it's not his conscience
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

keeping him up as he doesn't appear to have one. Follow the $$. Maybe Deutsche Bank?

These are the 5 biggest bombshells from The New York Times' report on Trump's money and Deutsche Bank
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/biggest-bombshells-trump-deutsche-bank-lending-new-york-times-report-2020-2-1028908722

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. No. It's not his conscience. He doesn't have one.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:46 PM
Apr 2020

It’s THE VOID—the absolute emptiness that all of them describe and that all of them feel. It causes them to crave emotional stimulation, always, and it also causes them to create chaos (allowing them to “feel” the agony of others—feeling something is better than feeling nothing). There’s a reason that the Cluster B disorders are called the “dramatic” cluster. It’s because they live in an emotional void and have to create strong emotions in others just so they can feel alive. They are emotional vampires.

-Laelth

marlakay

(13,028 posts)
10. Don't believe him at all about the sleeping
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 09:07 AM
Apr 2020

I have read many articles that say he only gets a few hours and is watching tv all the time. He sure looks like he doesn’t sleep. The article made it seem like the office wasn’t getting to him physically and he looks like a wreck!

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. +1
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:52 PM
Apr 2020

I would bet big bucks that he sleeps very poorly. I have yet to meet a Cluster B-disordered person who sleeps well.

-Laelth

Boomerproud

(9,165 posts)
14. Not one word in that article is new or surprising.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 01:30 PM
Apr 2020

Sane people figured 45 out in the '90s. We don't live in sane times .

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