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Now They Will Be Processing Meat At Gunpoint (Original Post) DanieRains Apr 2020 OP
? jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #1
Trump made an executive order that all meat packing plants stay open uponit7771 Apr 2020 #2
jesus... jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #3
Yeah nothing says everything's okay like ordering meat packing plants to stay open after people die uponit7771 Apr 2020 #4
To be more precise, it was an order under the Defense Production Act jberryhill Apr 2020 #5
This is what I have been saying all along. murielm99 Apr 2020 #10
+1, OP worthy. Its REALLY important to have balance with these laws. uponit7771 Apr 2020 #21
Yes, please make this an OP. murielm99 Apr 2020 #22
I wish Lump was lying on a bed like a vegetable (like Kim is in N Korea). BigmanPigman Apr 2020 #6
He can't force the employees to go back to work Chainfire Apr 2020 #7
Unemployment is a massive coercive mechanism greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #9
"We can open our southern border, the supply of rapist and murderers is nearly limitless?" cwydro Apr 2020 #14
Yeah, that was a pretty blurry line where he switched moods there, huh. Iggo Apr 2020 #15
No kidding. cwydro Apr 2020 #18
Yes, that is how I see the position of the Republicans. Chainfire Apr 2020 #19
Soviets had the proverbial beet quota; we'll have the proverbial beef quota greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #8
provide them protection + testing. should have been ready. pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #11
The animals they slaughter get better treatment than the workers. BamaRefugee Apr 2020 #12
No, not really. cwydro Apr 2020 #13
Lawyers, Corgigal Apr 2020 #16
And trying to take away their rights if they get sick Horse with no Name Apr 2020 #17
It is not "insane" Chainfire Apr 2020 #20
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. To be more precise, it was an order under the Defense Production Act
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:08 PM
Apr 2020

The same "gunpoint" which Truman used... and which failed.

My question is whether Smithfield is a federal contractor, and whether whatever it is was actually a rated order under the DPA.

Because not even the DPA provides the authority to simply take over a private business outright.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown_Sheet_%26_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer

Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952), also commonly referred to as the Steel Seizure Case or the Youngstown Steel case,[1] was a landmark United States Supreme Court decision that limited the power of the President of the United States to seize private property. The case served as a check on the most far-reaching claims of executive power at the time and signaled the Court's increased willingness to intervene in political questions.

In the midst of the Korean War, the United Steel Workers of America threatened a strike, for higher wages, against the major steel producers in the United States. As President Harry S. Truman believed that a strike of any length would cause severe dislocations for defense contractors, Truman seized control of steel production facilities, keeping the current operating management of the companies in place to run the plants under federal direction. Though the steelworkers supported the move, the steel companies launched a legal challenge to the seizure on the grounds that the president lacked the power to seize private property without express authorization from Congress.

In his majority opinion, Associate Justice Hugo Black held that the president lacked the power to seize the steel mills in the absence of statutory authority conferred on him by Congress. Five other justices agreed with the outcome of the case but wrote concurring opinions; some of these justices argued that the president might have the power to seize property absent legislative authorization in more extreme circumstances. Justice Robert H. Jackson's concurring opinion laid out a tripartite framework of presidential power that would prove influential among legal scholars and others charged with assessing executive power. In his dissent, Chief Justice Fred Vinson argued that the president's action was necessary to preserve the status quo so that Congress could act in the future. Truman was stunned by the decision, but he immediately restored control of the steel mills to their owners.



https://govcon.mofo.com/coronavirus/the-defense-production-act-a-little-known-statute-that-may-soon-be-running-your-company/

The DPA does not grant the President authority to nationalize industry.


Despite some news media claims to the contrary, the DPA does not grant the President the authority to nationalize industry. Although the DPA once contained seizure powers that arguably could have been used to nationalize entire industries, those powers, and many others, were formally repealed in 2009. Further, the Supreme Court previously rejected the President’s ability to nationalize industry in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952), in response to President Truman’s Cold War attempt to seize several privately owned steel mills in response to nationwide strikes that halted steel production in the country. Thus, while Congress might pass new legislation allowing the government to acquire an equity stake in companies in exchange for bail out funds, as it did with Fannie Mae in response to the 2008 financial crisis, the DPA, as currently written, does not allow the President to take over industries or specific companies.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
10. This is what I have been saying all along.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 07:57 PM
Apr 2020

Thank you for looking up the details and posting them here.

murielm99

(30,736 posts)
22. Yes, please make this an OP.
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 01:44 AM
Apr 2020

I was wracking my brain trying to remember this incident. I got only as far as Wilson nationalizing the railroads during WWI, but that was a limited action, only in force for the duration of the war. I am glad you found what I was looking for without success.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
6. I wish Lump was lying on a bed like a vegetable (like Kim is in N Korea).
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:14 PM
Apr 2020

Wait, Lump doesn't do vegetables unless ketchup is considered a veggie.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
7. He can't force the employees to go back to work
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:54 PM
Apr 2020

He can only use Unemployment Compensation as extortion.

They don't even seem to be considering taking measures to protect the workers. The workers are generally from minority communities so they are disposable. If too many die off, we can open our Southern border, the supply or rapist and murderers is nearly limitless.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
9. Unemployment is a massive coercive mechanism
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:57 PM
Apr 2020

Process the meat or face penury. These are generally low income workers to begin with.

It's a fucking horror.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. "We can open our southern border, the supply of rapist and murderers is nearly limitless?"
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:14 PM
Apr 2020

What?

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
15. Yeah, that was a pretty blurry line where he switched moods there, huh.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:20 PM
Apr 2020

(From serious to sarcastic, I mean.)

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
19. Yes, that is how I see the position of the Republicans.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:34 PM
Apr 2020

They do not care how many Hispanics or other minorities die in the meat packing plants. Republicans do not work in slaughter houses.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
8. Soviets had the proverbial beet quota; we'll have the proverbial beef quota
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:56 PM
Apr 2020

Smile, happy citizen! The beef quota will be met this month and exceeded next month. All is well, citizen!

pansypoo53219

(20,976 posts)
11. provide them protection + testing. should have been ready.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 08:09 PM
Apr 2020

no due diligence. cheap as profit pig lazyness.

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