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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,884 posts)
Mon May 4, 2020, 04:32 PM May 2020

Supreme Court to hear 2 cases about when religious employers can ignore civil rights laws

Our Lady of Guadalupe School v. Morrissey-Berru and St. James School v. Biel, are difficult cases, which the Court will hear in a rare teleconferenced oral argument next Monday. They concern whether two Catholic school teachers qualify as “ministers,” and are therefore beyond the reach of workplace civil rights laws.

In Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC (2012), the Supreme Court held that the First Amendment enshrines a “ministerial exemption” to anti-discrimination laws. As Chief Justice John Roberts explained for the Court in Hosanna-Tabor, the Constitution’s “Establishment Clause prevents the Government from appointing ministers, and the Free Exercise Clause prevents it from interfering with the freedom of religious groups to select their own.”

This prohibition on laws regulating how religious groups choose their own ministers is so broad that it even permits such groups to engage in invidious discrimination. A church may fire a minister, for example, because that minister is black, or because they are gay, or because they’ve become pregnant, even though federal law prohibits race and pregnancy discrimination, and many states have laws barring anti-LGBTQ discrimination.

But it’s also far from clear who qualifies as a “minister,” which is where Biel and Morrissey-Berru come in. Though there are some religious leaders — priests, rabbis, imams, and the like — who rather obviously qualify as ministers, what about someone with significant religious duties who spends most of their time engaged in secular work? What about someone who may spend a few hours a week providing religious instruction, but who has no formal training in theology and no formal status as an ordained minister?

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/4/21230146/supreme-court-ministerial-exemption-religion-civil-rights-discrimination-biel-morrissey-berru

As one who was raised Catholic arguing that the teachers are ministers is not part of Catholic doctrine as I remember it.

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Supreme Court to hear 2 cases about when religious employers can ignore civil rights laws (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 OP
I don't care who you are, or what you believe. If a law applies to one, it should apply to all. Midnight Writer May 2020 #1
I was raised Catholic also and like you I recall the Catholic Church rurallib May 2020 #2

Midnight Writer

(21,738 posts)
1. I don't care who you are, or what you believe. If a law applies to one, it should apply to all.
Mon May 4, 2020, 04:59 PM
May 2020

And I'm not even a lawyer.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
2. I was raised Catholic also and like you I recall the Catholic Church
Mon May 4, 2020, 05:10 PM
May 2020

being quite specific about who was and who wasn't a minister and how they became a 'minister.'

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